Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[arso40]

Agreed and as everyone who's ever played, who watches a lot of games and understands it, just knows this to be true. And why an assist or a goal both have the same point value.

Not on the belak system lol but as you were …..

 

[Antropovsky]

OK - three years worth of playoffs:
in about 17% more 5on5 ice time, Marner has 30 hits, 38 hits taken, and 6 blocked shots, while Nylander has 8 hits, 28 hits taken, and 5 blocked shots.

I don't think I've ever been particularly critical of Tavares - his signing, yes, although I'm not sure what his scoring has to do with how much Mitch or Willy avoid contact, although the motive for mentioning him is clear.

It's not about hits... its just battling. See video below of Phaneuf and Crosby arguing, Crosby admits he doesn't hit anyone... but admits he pushes.

Crosby doesn't get credit for a hit for "pushing" ...but both Phaneuf and Crosby agree they don't like being "pushed like that".

Marner doesn't battle at all. He doesn't even go to dirty areas.

 

[thewave]

It's not about hits... its just battling. See video below of Phaneuf and Crosby arguing, Crosby admits he doesn't hit anyone... but admits he pushes.

Crosby doesn't get credit for a hit for "pushing" ...but both Phaneuf and Crosby agree they don't like being "pushed like that".

Marner doesn't battle at all. He doesn't even go to dirty areas.

He just relies on time and space that teams give him at the perimeter. When they don't give it, he sucks time and time again.

 

[Hellcat]

It's not about hits... its just battling. See video below of Phaneuf and Crosby arguing, Crosby admits he doesn't hit anyone... but admits he pushes.

Crosby doesn't get credit for a hit for "pushing" ...but both Phaneuf and Crosby agree they don't like being "pushed like that".

Marner doesn't battle at all. He doesn't even go to dirty areas.

Hellebuyck does not hit, does not battle in the corners, does not go to the dirty areas, I guess that means he sucks? Your lack of hockey awareness is transparent as your posts.

Right he does not battle at all ...









He's not a power forward - I get that you dont understand what that is, complaining that a tiger does not have a trunk or that a Eagle does not have gills is nonsensical. His role is not to engage physically, his job is to distribute the puck to areas that give his team and unfair advantage.

 

[Canadian Finn]

yes, we have definitely been enjoying an unfair advantage.

GO UNFAIR ADVANTAGE

the life of a leafs fan. basking in unfair advantage.

 

[Nineteen67]

Hellebuyck does not hit, does not battle in the corners, does not go to the dirty areas, I guess that means he sucks? Your lack of hockey awareness is transparent as your posts.

Right he does not battle at all ...









He's not a power forward - I get that you dont understand what that is, complaining that a tiger does not have a trunk or that an Eagle does not have gills is nonsensical. His role is not to engage physically, his job is to distribute the puck to areas that give his team and unfair advantage.

And when his teammates are checked there’s not much he’s willing to do. We question if he’s able to do it

I think that’s why he’ll actually go to FA and seek a better situation for himself.

 

[thewave]

And when his teammates are checked there’s not much he’s willing to do. We question if he’s able to do it

I think that’s why he’ll actually go to FA and seek a better situation for himself.

13.25 and 11.5m locked for a C and a RW. JT likely will be brought back as 2C at 7m or something. Rielly will need bought out at this rate. Stolarz Tanev OEL have about a 3 year window at Max. Woll looks less and less likely to be the guy. That's all reality.

If we save 4m on JT, 5m on MR buyout and 11m - 13m on MM. What can we do with that 20m? I am going to say improve the depth a lot. Get a real 3C, a decent winger and a top 4D is all possible on the short term. Making an offer to McD also possible but not likely..

I think the Leafs need to push short term and see if they can do it, not worry about another winger. He doesn't do enough to push the winning envelope here.

 

[Antropovsky]

Hellebuyck does not hit, does not battle in the corners, does not go to the dirty areas, I guess that means he sucks? Your lack of hockey awareness is transparent as your posts.

Right he does not battle at all ...









He's not a power forward - I get that you dont understand what that is, complaining that a tiger does not have a trunk or that a Eagle does not have gills is nonsensical. His role is not to engage physically, his job is to distribute the puck to areas that give his team and unfair advantage.

Yep... playoffs - two sports networks do an intermission segment highlighting Marner being too soft.

 

[francis246]

13.25 and 11.5m locked for a C and a RW. JT likely will be brought back as 2C at 7m or something. Rielly will need bought out at this rate. Stolarz Tanev OEL have about a 3 year window at Max. Woll looks less and less likely to be the guy. That's all reality.

If we save 4m on JT, 5m on MR buyout and 11m - 13m on MM. What can we do with that 20m? I am going to say improve the depth a lot. Get a real 3C, a decent winger and a top 4D is all possible on the short term. Making an offer to McD also possible but not likely..

I think the Leafs need to push short term and see if they can do it, not worry about another winger. He doesn't do enough to push the winning envelope here.

With Chychrun now signed, I don’t see a path to how this team will honestly be better next year, unless they have a blockbuster trade lined up.

I think the Marner era is over tbh. I don’t think he’s coming back. So the organization better figure its shit out. This years UFA pool looks trash-Ola and you’re going to have to now overpay. If Chychrun got 9 million, what is RHD, former first overall pick Ekblad gonna command on the open market?

What will Gavrikov command? I like Boeser, but will he want to play in Canada again? I like Bennett but will he resign in Florida? I don’t know anyone can look at this off-season and feel optimistic either way. The leafs feel f***ed IMO. Best case scenario is the win this year somehow and just let Marner and JT go and retool following that, because other than that I don’t see a path to this team being better than this years version, especially if Marner walks. There’s not much left in free agency and it’s a complete gamble at this point.

 

[thewave]

With Chychrun now signed, I don’t see a path to how this team will honestly be better next year, unless they have a blockbuster trade lined up.

I think the Marner era is over tbh. I don’t think he’s coming back. So the organization better figure its shit out. This years UFA pool looks trash-Ola and you’re going to have to now overpay. If Chychrun got 9 million, what is RHD, former first overall pick Ekblad gonna command on the open market?

What will Gavrikov command? I like Boeser, but will he want to play in Canada again? I like Bennett but will he resign in Florida? I don’t know anyone can look at this off-season and feel optimistic either way. The leafs feel f***ed IMO. Best case scenario is the win this year somehow and just let Marner and JT go and retool following that, because other than that I don’t see a path to this team being better than this years version, especially if Marner walks. There’s not much left in free agency and it’s a complete gamble at this point.

I think they are going to pay Marner whatever he wants to save face. When faced with what you just said, accounting will advise them to run it back and when it doesn't work, say we did our best and it didn't work out. The meaningless non winning years will all be highly profitable regardless and they can spin it a different way.

 

[francis246]

I think they are going to pay Marner whatever he wants to save face. When faced with what you just said, accounting will advise them to run it back and when it doesn't work, say we did our best and it did work out. The meaningless non winning years will all be highly profitable regardless and they can spin it a different way.

Maybe, I think Marner is walking. I think he’s going to realize he can go elsewhere probably, that’s just my gut. I don’t think it’ll be money play, I think it’ll just be a change of scenery play and if that happens, it’s probably worst case scenario for the leafs.

I mean Marner isn’t negotiating right now, that doesn’t feel like a guy who is 100% committed to the idea of coming back. I think there’s some doubt in his mind whether he’d admit it or not.

 

[thewave]

Maybe, I think Marner is walking. I think he’s going to realize he can go elsewhere probably, that’s just my gut. I don’t think it’ll be money play, I think it’ll just be a change of scenery play and if that happens, it’s probably worst case scenario for the leafs.

I mean Marner isn’t negotiating right now, that doesn’t feel like a guy who is 100% committed to the idea of coming back. I think there’s some doubt in his mind whether he’d admit it or not.

He is a soft playoff series away from taking the Leafs fans blame. Last season was pretty close to getting him booed off the ice so.

You may be right. He may very well think that it's better to not risk that backlash and feel forced to waive his new big deal if it goes bad. Just get a new fresh start instead

 

[Gary Nylund]

Why are you spamming us with other people's opinions? Don't you see how ridiculous it is that you can't help yourself posting about a game that you didn't see? Too funny.

Don't you see how ridiculous it is that you can't help yourself responding to my posts that you keep saying you don't care about?

 

[francis246]

He is a soft playoff series away from taking the Leafs fans blame. Last season was pretty close to getting him booed off the ice so.

You may be right. He may very well think that it's better to not risk that backlash and feel forced to waive his new big deal if it goes bad. Just get a new fresh start instead

Tbh I don’t think he’ll face backlash unless he doesn’t play well. If he plays well and they still lose and he decides to walk, I can respect that decision. I wouldn’t love it, but I’d respect it. My frustration would be on management. They let an asset walk for free when they could have moved him before this point.

If he doesn’t play well, I’m not sure anyone can defend him at the end of the day.

 

[Menzinger]

With Chychrun now signed, I don’t see a path to how this team will honestly be better next year, unless they have a blockbuster trade lined up.

I think the Marner era is over tbh. I don’t think he’s coming back. So the organization better figure its shit out. This years UFA pool looks trash-Ola and you’re going to have to now overpay. If Chychrun got 9 million, what is RHD, former first overall pick Ekblad gonna command on the open market?

What will Gavrikov command? I like Boeser, but will he want to play in Canada again? I like Bennett but will he resign in Florida? I don’t know anyone can look at this off-season and feel optimistic either way. The leafs feel f***ed IMO. Best case scenario is the win this year somehow and just let Marner and JT go and retool following that, because other than that I don’t see a path to this team being better than this years version, especially if Marner walks. There’s not much left in free agency and it’s a complete gamble at this point.

If he does indeed choose to chase the dollars elsewhere like Chicago or Anaheim, I think I'd prefer the team position itself for cap flexibility in 2026, and be able to offer McDavid a monster offer if he wants to come home that off-season. Look next year to do what Tre did in his first free agency period and see who they can get on 1 year 'show me deals'.

 

[666]

Don't you see how ridiculous it is that you can't help yourself responding to my posts that you keep saying you don't care about?

I'm trying to get you to stop posting. Since you've been lying to everyone about watching the games, that means you have zero credibility. Why post when no one believes what you say any more?

 

[francis246]

If he does indeed choose to chase the dollars elsewhere like Chicago or Anaheim, I think I'd prefer the team position itself for cap flexibility in 2026, and be able to offer McDavid a monster offer if he wants to come home that off-season. Look next year to do what Tre did in his first free agency period and see who they can get on 1 year 'show me deals'.

That would have to be the plan, gear up for a McDavid pitch and don’t spend too much in UFA this year and play the kids really.

But I don’t really see Marner chasing the money either. I can see him taking a reasonable contract with a contender on a short term deal to try and win. I think we’ve been pretty conditioned to think Marner is all about the money. But we actually don’t know what his ask is atm, or if money is why he isn’t signing. It doesn’t feel like money is at the forefront. The leafs are already willing to make him one of the highest paid players in the NHL. So I think it’s simply him battling on whether he’d admit truly wants to be here or not.

 

[Menzinger]

That would have to be the plan, gear up for a McDavid pitch and don’t spend too much in UFA this year and play the kids really.

But I don’t really see Marner chasing the money either. I can see him taking a reasonable contract with a contender on a short term deal to try and win. I think we’ve been pretty conditioned to think Marner is all about the money. But we actually don’t know what his ask is atm, or if money is why he isn’t signing. It doesn’t feel like money is at the forefront. The leafs are already willing to make him one of the highest paid players in the NHL. So I think it’s simply him battling on whether he’d admit truly wants to be here or not.

I think the previous RFA negotiations speak for themselves in terms of what his priority is..if it's not necessarily about raw dollars then it's also about optics, being recognized as the teams top guy, which in turn gets conferred first and foremost by caphit

For the record doesn't make him a bad guy - hockey is a business.

That said, I would amend the original point in that I don't think he's going to get substantially more from other teams. And certainly won't get the bonus structure he'd get with a Leafs extension.

 

[Nineteen67]

13.25 and 11.5m locked for a C and a RW. JT likely will be brought back as 2C at 7m or something. Rielly will need bought out at this rate. Stolarz Tanev OEL have about a 3 year window at Max. Woll looks less and less likely to be the guy. That's all reality.

If we save 4m on JT, 5m on MR buyout and 11m - 13m on MM. What can we do with that 20m? I am going to say improve the depth a lot. Get a real 3C, a decent winger and a top 4D is all possible on the short term. Making an offer to McD also possible but not likely..

I think the Leafs need to push short term and see if they can do it, not worry about another winger. He doesn't do enough to push the winning envelope here.

He’s getting another chance and we’ll know in a few weeks if he can raise his play. If he plays well and they win a round and are competitive in round 2 then cabin re-sign him if they can reach a deal, if he gets pushed out again then the Leafs can figure out what to do with the money.

 

[Nineteen67]

I think the previous RFA negotiations speak for themselves in terms of what his priority is..if it's not necessarily about raw dollars then it's also about optics, being recognized as the teams top guy, which in turn gets conferred first and foremost by caphit

For the record doesn't make him a bad guy - hockey is a business.

That said, I would amend the original point in that I don't think he's going to get substantially more from other teams. And certainly won't get the bonus structure he'd get with a Leafs extension.

The bonus structure and his desire to stay in Toronto has to be worth a million+ to the AAV.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'm trying to get you to stop posting. Since you've been lying to everyone about watching the games, that means you have zero credibility. Why post when no one believes what you say any more?

You're the one that's lying. Strange obsession you have.

 

[Smif]

I think he's waiting to see if the entire series will be blamed on him again.

I think he's also curious to know what other teams are interested in him. If it's just Columbus and Chicago, maybe that's not attractive enough, but a Carolina and some other potential contenders with nice weather might be worth a look.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The bonus structure and his desire to stay in Toronto has to be worth a million+ to the AAV.

Endorsements are another couple million. And being all-time Leaf leader in some offensive categories and legends row for a Toronto boy is priceless.

 

[666]

You're the one that's lying. Strange obsession you have.

1) cut a hole in a box
2) stop lying
3) stop posting and embarrassing yourself
4) start watching the games
5) top watching the puck if you watch the games
6) start posting again

 

[Gary Nylund]

That would have to be the plan, gear up for a McDavid pitch and don’t spend too much in UFA this year and play the kids really.

But I don’t really see Marner chasing the money either. I can see him taking a reasonable contract with a contender on a short term deal to try and win. I think we’ve been pretty conditioned to think Marner is all about the money. But we actually don’t know what his ask is atm, or if money is why he isn’t signing. It doesn’t feel like money is at the forefront. The leafs are already willing to make him one of the highest paid players in the NHL. So I think it’s simply him battling on whether he’d admit truly wants to be here or not.

What do you think would be "reasonable" in this context? Reason I ask is I have a hard time seeing a contender wanting him unless it's a big discount.