LOL. You can post them as much as you like, but if you don't understand what you're reading that isn't going to help you.No trouble here. I can post them again for you if you like.
LOL. You can post them as much as you like, but if you don't understand what you're reading that isn't going to help you.No trouble here. I can post them again for you if you like.
Yeah that seems pretty obvious. Strange though that they couldn't work it out though, I'd imagine they would have been fine paying him what he got in Dallas.They traded Rantanen because they couldn't sign him.
I doubt they would have traded for another player they couldn't sign.
Look man this isn't the first time that you've acknowledged that you don't watch the games. You should have just ate this one, started to watch the games and try to build some credibility based on what you see in those games. Somehow claiming that you understand what's going on in the games without watching them just makes you look even more silly.LOL. You can post them as much as you like, but if you don't understand what you're reading that isn't going to help you.
Sorry you lost me, what does that have to do with Draisaitl?Read the room man. When Leafs Nation is Jekyll and Hyde on whether Marner should be back at all, going hard in the paint on cap percentage chit chat is just so tone deaf. Salary demands don’t really require the last decimal place to be achieved. $12.5 million, $12.7 million. $13.1 million. $14.25 million. How about 100 points and don’t embarrass yourself in an elimination game in the playoffs?
In what world would the Avs have entertained simply swapping Ranta out for Mitch this season? That makes no sense.We're not taking about now. We are saying if the leafs wanted Marner gone, they should have offered Marner to the Avs when Rantanen was first available. Their odds of getting that deal done were higher, Marner probably at least thinks about waiving for the Avs since they have a history of winning and he just played with MacKinnon compared to waiving for Carolina
No one can be this stupid.
The answer is I watch the games.
If Marner primary assists on approximately 50% of Matthews goals when he has a 16% sh% then how many times is Matthews missing Marners setups when he's only shooting 4%. Watch the games.
Draisaitl won the Hart Trophy in 2020, he's the leading candidate this year along with Mackinnon. He's big, plays center and is one of the games best goal scorers.Draisaitl got 15.9%, and while he's a very good player, especially on the PP, Marner is a better player at 5v5 and and the PK. I don't think Marner is going to get 15.9%, but he will likely justifiably get in the 14-15% range. Many good teams would pay him that.
Yes, we should have pushed harder to sign Marner last offseason if it was possible, instead of playing these stupid games with one of the best players this franchise has ever had.
Yes it has. It just hasn't got us a cup yet. People need to learn the difference.
Nobody needs to go. That's an emotional reaction. Measuring "progress" strictly by round wins is shortsighted. Matthews, Marner, and Nylander all outperformed their contracts by a similar amount, and players don't get extra money now because they were worse when they signed a fair contract last time. That's still looking backwards anyway. This should be about what helps us the most going forward, and that's keeping Marner. And if we did have to get rid of somebody (we don't), that's keeping Marner over Nylander.
That won't necessarily make the depth scoring better and more consistent than what we've had though. It will just make it more expensive. Mid tier UFAs is where money gets thrown away. And even if you did make the depth better, it's still unlikely that the team overall is better, because you're losing a massively impactful piece of the team in the process.
But hey, if we had 3-5m for depth players, we could sign brand new tier of depth that we've never before experienced... Like Mikheyev! Oh wait we already had him... Like Bunting! Oh wait we already had him... Like O'Rielly! Oh wait we already had him... Like Kerfoot! Oh wait we already had him... Like Foligno! Oh wait we already had him... Like Engvall! Oh wait we already had him... Like Domi! Oh wait we already had him... Like Bertuzzi! Oh wait we already had him... Like Laughton! Oh wait we already had him... Etc.
And not only have we already had that calibre of depth, the rising cap is going to give us opportunities to sign these kinds of players in UFA without getting rid of one of our best players.
We have 8 forwards on 2m+ contracts. Of the 14 forwards that Florida used in the playoffs, 8 were on 2m+ contracts.
I just want make sure I've got this right. You think that Marner is so bad that Matthews has to "double the load in the POs". I have a few rhetorical questions. That means that you don't have to answer them.Amazing how so many ignore this fact about Marners playoff performances. Yes. Matthews carries double the load in the POs on account of MM play.
The funny thing is that exactly 0 people have suggested that Marner should get Draisaitl's 15.9%. Marner likely gets in the 14-15% range.AAV is irrelevant, % of cap is what’s important and it wouldn’t be expected to be on par with Draisaitl. I doubt he would even be used as a comparable.
why models?Sorry you lost me, what does that have to do with Draisaitl?
smart move if leafs were looking to move marner was to the Pens for Crosby (extra year).Draisaitl won the Hart Trophy in 2020, he's the leading candidate this year along with Mackinnon. He's big, plays center and is one of the games best goal scorers.
Marner and him aren't even close to comparable.
He carries it more I thought you knew that?Marner gave up the puck 16 times
I just want make sure I've got this right. You think that Marner is so bad that Matthews has to "double the load in the POs". I have a few rhetorical questions. That means that you don't have to answer them.
1) if Marner is that bad in the POs why does he get the second more ice time 5v5, PP and PK in last three years
2) why does he get the second most ice time per game of all other players on the team even Matthews who can apparently do twice the work
3) why does Matthews play so much time with such a bad player, surely he has some say in who he plays with
4) why do the coaches alway have Marner on in critical moments and against the oppositions top lines?
5) why does what you see not match what the coaches and some of us see?
6) it's starting to appear that haters don't actually watch the games, do you watch the games?
In what world would the Avs have entertained simply swapping Ranta out for Mitch this season? That makes no sense.
They have three new centers now. And Necas.
It wouldn't even have been worth the call.
We're not taking about now. We are saying if the leafs wanted Marner gone, they should have offered Marner to the Avs when Rantanen was first available. Their odds of getting that deal done were higher, Marner probably at least thinks about waiving for the Avs since they have a history of winning and he just played with MacKinnon compared to waiving for Carolina
It sounds as if the AVS were fairly firm about not wanting to pay a star winger too much money, wanting cap flexibility that they eventually got from the Canes deal.
Marner was a much more attractive asset for Carolina as they were trying to bring in that star level aher.
What's the motivation for the Avs to move off a winger they don't want to pay to bring in one who wants in the same ballpark?
Are you suggesting that "the elite goaltending" and "the bad coaching" and "the poor power play" only affected Matthews but not Nylander?You could have gone the honest way by suggesting the large number of posts being hit, the elite goaltending, the bad luck, the bad coaching or the most important one of all the poor power play but you went with blaming Marner. To even suggest that Matthews has to fight through defenders (but only in the important games) to create his own space and that JT is some kind of playoff superstar is one of the funniest posts I have EVER seen. Watch the games.
Nope. For the last time, I've watched most of the games for my entire life, but I haven't watched as much this season as I have in the past. I've already said that Marner is having a great season, if you agree that's great and if you disagree, please explain why and do try to keep in mind that this thread is about Marner.Look man this isn't the first time that you've acknowledged that you don't watch the games. You should have just ate this one, started to watch the games and try to build some credibility based on what you see in those games. Somehow claiming that you understand what's going on in the games without watching them just makes you look even more silly.
IMO it's pretty obvious that M&M have a huge effect on each other so when Marner's play drops off, Matthews' production suffers and the reverse is also true. Bottom line for me is that they're both playoff disappointments, especially Marner.Are you suggesting that "the elite goaltending" and "the bad coaching" and "the poor power play" only affected Matthews but not Nylander?
I guess you're admitting that Willy is a much better player than Matthews.
I watch the games and I can see that as the games get tougher Marner becomes much less a factor, which is reflected in Matthews' game.
You can't seriously believe that Marner is a major contributor to Matthews' success but is irrelevant when it is lacking.
Interesting theory. Why would Marner be so unreasonable when the team has given him absolutely everything he could possibly ask for?I personally believe Marner wouldn't use these tactics with another team. simple. It's kind of like how Rantanen eventually ended up taking around what he got in Dallas after making a stink in Colorado. Rantanen could have easily just walked himself to UFA and gotten paid whatever he wanted, but he was able to land on a winner and took what he could to be settled with a winner. Every player can be settled for the right place. Rantanen was willing to work Toronto, Dallas and I forget the last team. I also believe Marner probably has a list of teams he would have been willing to be more reasonable with.
additionally I don't believe the avs about the cap flexibility stuff. I think the avs wanted to control the narrative and put that out there to look better and not have their fan base question the move and then were fortunate enough to make some following moves to support that. But I do feel like they would have been open to a one for one deal if that deal was available to them. It wasn't though. I've been pretty consistent with that since the Rantanen stuff broke. I think they have always been ready to move off the player, the negotiations were shit the first time around and they weren't willing to do it the second time around. How do I know this? When the rantanen stuff broke, I went and listened to a lot of Avs people. In the weeks leading up to the trade, there was tension in the Avs locker room and amongst management in regards to Rantanen and there always has been. Many Avs people also believe that mangement soured on Rantanen long before the negotiations.
Yes he did.
Marner should be above both Nylander and Pastrnak.
No he's not.
No it's what actually happened. Nylander put up 0.94 P/GP through his contract, while Matthews and Marner put up 1.27 and 1.24, while being better at everything outside of production.
He refused to sign in-season. There was never any indication that he wasn't willing to sign last offseason.
Interesting theory. Why would Marner be so unreasonable when the team has given him absolutely everything he could possibly ask for?