Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Stephen]

Is Matthews' drop in the playoffs (and particularly in the later games) because he suddenly forgot how to shoot, or because Marner disappears?

Feels like Matthews doesn't handle the competition of big moments particularly well, which impacts his ability to shoot, score and make little touch plays with the same accuracy as in lower stakes moments. You lose a split second here and there, you double clutch or you rush something and suddenly you're not effective. The double whammy with Marner is teams usually find a way to disconnect the two of them and there's no adjustment.

 

[thewave]

Its laughable to put Draisaitl and Marner on the same level as Mitch isn't even in the same ballpark.

Drai is on the verge of his 4th 50+ goal season and has top 100 points 6 times already including this year. His worst statistical season is 84 points in 56 games in 2020-21

How many 50 goal or 100 point season does Marner have?

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Word on the street is that Mitch Marner is in the same ballpark as Drai. TBH though and this isn't a joke. Those sorts of comments are approaching gaslighting or trolling levels. There is a point you leave the orbit of reality that people start to get annoyed.

It's at the point of.. Auston Matthews is a better C than McDavid. Things like that.

 

[GoonieFace]

Its laughable to put Draisaitl and Marner on the same level as Mitch isn't even in the same ballpark.

Drai is on the verge of his 4th 50+ goal season and has top 100 points 6 times already including this year. His worst statistical season is 84 points in 56 games in 2020-21

How many 50 goal or 100 point season does Marner have?

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Yeah, but that defence is something else…

 

[Blanka]

Mitch has so much more grit and fight than Drai.

Or maybe not.

If only both he and Matthews could somehow translate their contract negotiation successes to playoff success, we might actually have a Cup or two. Instead we have...well... whatever this is.

 

[ACC1224]

Its laughable to put Draisaitl and Marner on the same level as Mitch isn't even in the same ballpark.

Drai is on the verge of his 4th 50+ goal season and has top 100 points 6 times already including this year. His worst statistical season is 84 points in 56 games in 2020-21

How many 50 goal or 100 point season does Marner have?

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If it’s ‘laughable’ why even bring it up?
Has anyone other than Dekes said they believe it to be true?
Seems like a weird thing to get hung up on. Not being as good as Draisaitl is a strange criticism. He only has two comparables league wide and neither plays for the Leafs.

 

[666]

I know only too well "what's going on" so this question makes no sense.

Clearly you don't because you don't watch the games.

 

[Gabriel426]

MacK is not even the forechecker on his line. He does it way less than Matthews. Just because he skates fast doesn't mean he forechecks. MacK is a rush player, not a forechecker.

I think you're confusing MacKinnon with Lehkonen.

Are you saying Mack doesn’t lead his team by example? Or play at a high level when the going gets tough?

don’t get me wrong, I want AM to lead the Leafs in playoffs and win Cup but so far, AM been outplayed by guys like Coyle

 

[Gabriel426]

I don’t think he’s looking for someone else to lead though Hes playing through injury and not even alluding to the fact he is injured I think that’s a good leader the support needs to be better that’s where my issue is

I am not just talking about the past 20games or this season. I am talking about AM’s play in general esp in the playoffs.

Players will have down season no matter how great they are but great players will often show up when it matters most like playoffs esp in elimination games.

This is the best description of the late great Maradona in football, he can be shut down 89mins of a game but in that minute where he is free, he will make something happen. Can’t really say that about any of our guys but can use it for Tkachuk.

 

[Gabriel426]

Yeah, but that defence is something else…

Do you mean MM defence or the defence by those who claim MM is on par with Drai?

 

[ToneDog]

I guess they really are waiting for mitchy to have a good game before they re appear eh man this is no fun

Reminds me of:

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[666]

Is Matthews' drop in the playoffs (and particularly in the later games) because he suddenly forgot how to shoot, or because Marner disappears?

What? We're talking about Matthews going from 16% to 4%. Not the number of shots but the PERCENTAGE that go in. The pass has already been made. It's not like Marner and anyone else passing to Matthews is disappearing and Matthews is shooting from center ice. To even suggest that it's Marner fault that AFTER THE PASS Matthews is scoring 1/4 as much is bizarre especially if you watched the games.

 

[ACC1224]

Do you mean MM defence or the defence by those who claim MM is on par with Drai?

Who are ‘those’?

 

[Stephen]

If it’s ‘laughable’ why even bring it up?
Has anyone other than Dekes said they believe it to be true?
Seems like a weird thing to get hung up on. Not being as good as Draisaitl is a strange criticism. He only has two comparables league wide and neither plays for the Leafs.

Mitch and Leon overlap in one critical area and that is potential AAV. Ultimately this may not be a Leafs concern if Marner walks to the highest bidder, however it is tiresome to hear about how Mitch is positioned to make whatever whatever when even you would agree he is does not belong at that echelon on the ice. It's not strange criticism more so that it's strange these names and numbers are even being floated.

 

[francis246]

If you believe Friedman Avs offered Ranta $11.75m. Do you think Avs are offering Marner more than what they offered Rantanen? Do you think Marner would sign there for that or less?

Yes, I do. I'm sorry but people need to realize, Toronto's price ain't other places price. I think Marner would accept that to play with Nathan Mac and go to a place that is a winner.

 

[francis246]

He’s been brutal since the trade deadline stuff. Also seems to have done a number on the dressing room.

did I not say this? and people called me dumb. Anyone who didn't think it was going to impact the dressing room is out to lunch. For better or worse, the guy is a big part of the locker room. So for them to learn they were willing to break that up in the middle of the season while they were in 1st, was obviously going to have a profound impact.

I have no issues with the leafs doing their job and exploring options, but how they handled the aftermath was so messy and it didn't have to be like that.

 

[ULF_55]

Mitch and Leon overlap in one critical area and that is potential AAV. Ultimately this may not be a Leafs concern if Marner walks to the highest bidder, however it is tiresome to hear about how Mitch is positioned to make whatever whatever when even you would agree he is does not belong at that echelon on the ice. It's not strange criticism more so that it's strange these names and numbers are even being floated.

One thing being overlooked wrt marner - Draisaitl is position.

Draisaitl is a center.

 

[ToneDog]

did I not say this? and people called me dumb. Anyone who didn't think it was going to impact the dressing room is out to lunch. For better or worse, the guy is a big part of the locker room. So for them to learn they were willing to break that up in the middle of the season while they were in 1st, was obviously going to have a profound impact.

I have no issues with the leafs doing their job and exploring options, but how they handled the aftermath was so messy and it didn't have to be like that.

Brady was pissed off the Sens traded one of his best friends but he knows it is a business and dealt with it. Why are our core so fragile? Didn't Nylander mope for weeks after Sandin was traded last year?

 

[GoonieFace]

Brady was pissed off the Sens traded one of his best friends but he knows it is a business and dealt with it. Why are our core so fragile? Didn't Nylander mope for weeks after Sandin was traded last year?

Yeah the excuses are ridiculous. Did Tre hurt Mitch’s feelings? Its like they are running a daycare.

 

[arso40]

Yeah the excuses are ridiculous. Did Tre hurt Mitch’s feelings? Its like they are running a daycare.

But they’re human beings with feelings…… that’s what needs to leave the dressing room for sure tired of coaches having to walk bacc criticism cause of feelings if your not playing good that’s it like grow a pair

 

[Gabriel426]

Who are ‘those’?

Sorry, maybe I should use they, lol. Need to stay gender neutral or else I might get banned, lol

 

[francis246]

Brady was pissed off the Sens traded one of his best friends but he knows it is a business and dealt with it. Why are our core so fragile? Didn't Nylander mope for weeks after Sandin was traded last year?

I don't know why you continuously use brady. The guy has won f*** all in this league, get off his ass. I don't care what Brady Tkachuk does. And that brady situation is completely different. Norris is gone, Marner is still here. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[thewave]

But they’re human beings with feelings…… that’s what needs to leave the dressing room for sure tired of coaches having to walk bacc criticism cause of feelings if your not playing good that’s it like grow a pair

MLSE embrace certain ideologies so it's baked into the cake. After Babcock we became tender lovers. Babcock did some weird junk but so do a lot of coaches. This team were rats and other teams with creepy coach stuff keep it private.

That's all this is a continuation of. Marner is always the victim. His fans paint him as a victim.

It's really just all grade A loser stuff but whatever.

 

[ULF_55]

Brady was pissed off the Sens traded one of his best friends but he knows it is a business and dealt with it. Why are our core so fragile? Didn't Nylander mope for weeks after Sandin was traded last year?

That was 2 years ago ... time flies eh?
Had 7 points in the next 6 games after the trade.
Next 16 games he had 8 points.

Anyway, I'm saying $13mm for marner with Leafs.

If he stays.

If he leaves, July 1st. will be interesting.

Are there players out there that would want to play with Matthews?

It is clear and obvious to every player the Leafs will pay one player over $12mm to join the team.
So take your best offer to the Leafs and they'll likely beat it.

 

[Gabriel426]

Yes, I do. I'm sorry but people need to realize, Toronto's price ain't other places price. I think Marner would accept that to play with Nathan Mac and go to a place that is a winner.

1. Don’t think Avs can sign MM at 11.75mil since they got Necas and Coyle now.
2. I do think MM will sign for less if he thinks he gets a better chance in winning like all players.
3. If MM is to do that, it also shows his love for the Leafs.
4. At the end, I think MM will be in Hawks or Sharks as that’s two teams who are willing to pay MM plus they got good young core pieces that with a few signings can make it big. Caps is also a sleeper team to sign MM.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't know why you continuously use brady. The guy has won f*** all in this league, get off his ass. I don't care what Brady Tkachuk does. And that brady situation is completely different. Norris is gone, Marner is still here. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

Dude why are you going off a tangent? I'm using Brady because it is well known he was pissed off by the trade and Green talked about if on Friday. If I heard another player was pissed off by a trade (MacKinnon now comes to mind) I would have used him. Relax FFS.