Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[hobarth]

How many knew that M & M didn't get as many offensive zone faceoffs as Laughton, that's just not right.

M & M were used to neutralize the Barkov line, which they did, again, not right.

How often do we see the opposition's #1 line out against TO's #3/#4 line(s), how often does Berube do this?

 

[arso40]

How many knew that M & M didn't get as many offensive zone faceoffs as Laughton, that's just not right.

M & M were used to neutralize the Barkov line, which they did, again, not right.

How often do we see the opposition's #1 line out against TO's #3/#4 line(s), how often does Berube do this?

More like Barkov line neutralized them

 

[arso40]

Well given that he has been the best player on the team this season thus far, no doubt that his haters resort to mis-quotes and false rumours. I only care about the team, as I've done for over 60 years. I don't see why blaming one player alone will help anyone feel better about themselves. Very shallow personalities is all I see.

But praising one player makes sense right ?
This game was very familiar in outcome and in individual play pk gives up goals power play doesn’t counter marner plays on the perimeter in fairness it’s not just him we don’t play hard enough we don’t play with intensity but he’s the engine right ? Him and Matthews set the tone as long as you play them together Matthews won’t be playing the way he needs to if they don’t wanna put nylander on his wing then put domi there put marner with jt and put Willy with bobby laughton maybe he can get them going cause they sure as hell aren’t at the moment[/QUOTE]

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

When they put Marner's statue on legends row he's gonna insist it be made out of gold.

Marner thinks he's the shit and he's right. He's corprolite - really expensive crap. I can't wait til he's gone.

If there was a perimeter around the perimeter that's where he'd be.

His toughness, competitiveness and courage are all non-existant. Fly-by poke checks instead of engaging in a board battle is the Marner special. Why take the body when you can just wave your stick a little.

He won't engage physically because he doesn't care about winning.

Marner just wants to have a prosperous career making as much money as possible. They should move on from him and bring in players who work hard and listen to their coach. Guys who realize what a privilige it is just to be in the NHL in the first place.

They'd be better off without god on skates insisting everyone worship him like a golden calf.

 

[blue stick]

But praising one player makes sense right ?
This game was very familiar in outcome and in individual play pk gives up goals power play doesn’t counter marner plays on the perimeter in fairness it’s not just him we don’t play hard enough we don’t play with intensity but he’s the engine right ? Him and Matthews set the tone as long as you play them together Matthews won’t be playing the way he needs to if they don’t wanna put nylander on his wing then put domi there put marner with jt and put Willy with bobby laughton maybe he can get them going cause they sure as hell aren’t at the moment

[/QUOTE]
You think ranting on here like a 12 year old will change the lines? I don't care about Marner but he is what we have for this season, whatever line he is on. That is the coaches decision. All this macho man fluff talk is boring and childish.

 

[Racer88]

WoHoooo I’m finally back in this site…….so much pent up frustration looking for a place to go.
Lol

 

[HolyCrap]

Well given that he has been the best player on the team this season thus far, no doubt that his haters resort to mis-quotes and false rumours. I only care about the team, as I've done for over 60 years. I don't see why blaming one player alone will help anyone feel better about themselves. Very shallow personalities is all I see.

That’s not what’s happening at all. Fans before team posters are pathetic. And now ignore function doesn’t work on the new update so this place will be unusable.

 

[ACC1224]

Ya, if you ignore their entire NHL history, play this year, playoff performances, and defensive play, I agree.

Pretty hard to deny, although some will, that Marner has been the Teams best forward most nights this season.
Most valuable is harder to gauge between Stolarz, Marner and Tanev.

 

[ToneDog]

When they put Marner's statue on legends row he's gonna insist it be made out of gold.

Marner thinks he's the shit and he's right. He's corprolite - really expensive crap. I can't wait til he's gone.

If there was a perimeter around the perimeter that's where he'd be.

His toughness, competitiveness and courage are all non-existant. Fly-by poke checks instead of engaging in a board battle is the Marner special. Why take the body when you can just wave your stick a little.

He won't engage physically because he doesn't care about winning.

Marner just wants to have a prosperous career making as much money as possible. They should move on from him and bring in players who work hard and listen to their coach. Guys who realize what a privilige it is just to be in the NHL in the first place.

They'd be better off without god on skates insisting everyone worship him like a golden calf.

Hard to believe they have been trying to sign this shinny player before seeing playoff results. Thankfully this guy refuses to negotiate until playoffs are over. He's not morphing into Gilmour any time soon. All that needs to be answered now is whether they lose to Tampa in round #1 or Florida in round #2. ECF is a pipe dream for Marner and this core. Thanks to the biggest Dumbass, we lost out on Rantanen. Think about that for a minute.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well given that he has been the best player on the team this season thus far, no doubt that his haters resort to mis-quotes and false rumours.

Ranting about "haters", how original.

I only care about the team, as I've done for over 60 years.

I only care about the team as well, so do 99% of the people who post here.

I don't see why blaming one player alone will help anyone feel better about themselves.

I don't see anyone doing that. Why don't you stop yelling at clouds with this ridiculous straw man argument?

Very shallow personalities is all I see.

I see all sorts of things, among them unfortunately a number of shallow posts such as this rant of yours.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pretty hard to deny, although some will, that Marner has been the Teams best forward most nights this season.
Most valuable is harder to gauge between Stolarz, Marner and Tanev.

Maybe not "most nights", but overall I'd agree he's been our best forward. I said a while ago that Tanev's been our best player but now I might take Stolarz over him and Marner is the clear #3 for me. That said, he's been quite good and the guys who put up points get most of the glory so I'm sure a lot of people would say Marner, and while he's #3 for me, he's not a terrible choice for #1 either.

IMHO Marner's always been a great regular season player, too bad he fades after 86 games. It's hard to express in words how sick I am of losing in the playoffs and he's #2 on my list of who deserves blame for that.

 

[ToneDog]

Maybe not "most nights", but overall I'd agree he's been our best forward. I said a while ago that Tanev's been our best player but now I might take Stolarz over him and Marner is the clear #3 for me. That said, he's been quite good and the guys who put up points get most of the glory so I'm sure a lot of people would say Marner, and while he's #3 for me, he's not a terrible choice for #1 either.

IMHO Marner's always been a great regular season player, too bad he fades after 86 games. It's hard to express in words how sick I am of losing in the playoffs and he's #2 on my list of who deserves blame for that.

Marner has feasted on Boston and Detroit this year. Unfortunately for him, he will most likely be facing Tampa and Florida in rounds 1 and 2. Don't expect him to score many goals and many empty calorie assists.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marner has feasted on Boston and Detroit this year. Unfortunately for him, he will most likely be facing Tampa and Florida in rounds 1 and 2. Don't expect him to score many goals and many empty calorie assists.

Sadly, I have zero expectations for the playoffs. That goes for Marner, and the team as a whole.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Pretty hard to deny, although some will, that Marner has been the Teams best forward most nights this season.
Most valuable is harder to gauge between Stolarz, Marner and Tanev.

Marner has easily been the teams best forward this year. It isn't even close.

We're lucky we've been getting the goaltending that we have though, because we're the one of the worst defensive teams in the playoff hunt in the conference even with it.

Berube looking more and more like a meathead and less and less like the coaching change that was needed imo.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Sadly, I have zero expectations for the playoffs. That goes for Marner, and the team as a whole.

I'm apathetic when it comes to this team. Too many times have my hopes risen only to be disappointed again and again. If they do make some noise this year...great. If not, I am not going to be one of the players walking around town next September with my eyes scorching the sidewalk.

 

[ULF_55]

Sadly, I have zero expectations for the playoffs. That goes for Marner, and the team as a whole.

I won't blame marner for a quick exit this year, but I do expect it.

He is just one of the highest paid players on the team.

Without exaggeration marner is first and foremost a set-up man. He isn't a goal scorer in the post season. You can't twist anything anywhere to suggest he doesn't rely on scorers to produce his points.
Career he is tied with Rielly (11) at almost half the rate of Nylander (20) and less half Matthews (23). That's his function on offense setup the goal scorers.

However, both Nylander and Matthews goal production drops in the post season.

However,
Nylander drops from .38 G/PG to .37 G/PG.
Matthews drops from .64 G/PG to .42 G/PG.

So what the the root cause of that dramatic drop from Matthews?

Regardless, they don't have a Playoffs Alpha, someone to put the team on its back and drag the players into the battles. That's isn't marner's job or issue and is not something you can place any blame on. There is no Tkachuk like there was in London.

We should just appreciate what he brings during the regular season, which helps get them another 7 or so games we can enjoy.

 

[arso40]

You think ranting on here like a 12 year old will change the lines? I don't care about Marner but he is what we have for this season, whatever line he is on. That is the coaches decision. All this macho man fluff talk is boring and childish.
[/QUOTE]
how’s this for macho your a bird you wanna make this more than tough talk over the internet cause I don’t mind

WoHoooo I’m finally back in this site…….so much pent up frustration looking for a place to go.
Lol

You and me both

 

[ToneDog]

I won't blame marner for a quick exit this year, but I do expect it.

He is just one of the highest paid players on the team.

Without exaggeration marner is first and foremost a set-up man. He isn't a goal scorer in the post season. You can't twist anything anywhere to suggest he doesn't rely on scorers to produce his points.
Career he is tied with Rielly (11) at almost half the rate of Nylander (20) and less half Matthews (23). That's his function on offense setup the goal scorers.

However, both Nylander and Matthews goal production drops in the post season.

However,
Nylander drops from .38 G/PG to .37 G/PG.
Matthews drops from .64 G/PG to .42 G/PG.

So what the the root cause of that dramatic drop from Matthews?

Regardless, they don't have a Playoffs Alpha, someone to put the team on its back and drag the players into the battles. That's isn't marner's job or issue and is not something you can place any blame on. There is no Tkachuk like there was in London.

We should just appreciate what he brings during the regular season, which helps get them another 7 or so games we can enjoy.

Is there anybody left that would not trade Marner for Brady Tkachuk? He'll be a pain to play against in the playoffs, unlike you know who.

 

[666]

Matthews drops from .64 G/PG to .42 G/PG.

So what the the root cause of that dramatic drop from Matthews?

Matthews regular season (605 games) sh% 15.9%
Matthews playoffs (55 games) sh% : 9.8%
Matthews last 3 games of playoffs in last 4 seasons (12 games) sh% 4.25%

If Matthews finished the setups that Marner gives him we wouldn't be having any of these discussions.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Matthews regular season (605 games) sh% 15.9%
Matthews playoffs (55 games) sh% : 9.8%
Matthews last 3 games of playoffs in last 4 seasons (12 games) sh% 4.25%

If Matthews finished the setups that Marner gives him we wouldn't be having any of these discussions.

Marner hasn’t been giving good setups in playoff games at his normal level. Unless you count setting up the crowd with puck over the glass penalties, he’s been elite at that.

 

[thewave]

Matthews regular season (605 games) sh% 15.9%
Matthews playoffs (55 games) sh% : 9.8%
Matthews last 3 games of playoffs in last 4 seasons (12 games) sh% 4.25%

If Matthews finished the setups that Marner gives him we wouldn't be having any of these discussions.

Maybe the quality of shots Marner is getting him suck. Smart teams hardly cover the guy because he stays on the perimeter and doesn't go to the net. Matthews is doubled up on. It's been the same for a while.

 

[ULF_55]

Matthews regular season (605 games) sh% 15.9%
Matthews playoffs (55 games) sh% : 9.8%
Matthews last 3 games of playoffs in last 4 seasons (12 games) sh% 4.25%

If Matthews finished the setups that Marner gives him we wouldn't be having any of these discussions.

Might have even won more than 1 round.

Last 5 years:

Regular Season:
Matthews .73 G/PG, 16.5%, 1556 shots
Nylander .45 G/PG, 13.6%, 1195 shots

Playoffs:
Matthews .37 G/PG, 8.1%, 160 shots
Nylander .5 G/PG, 14.3%, 119 shots

Both shooting against the same goalies.
Has to be something, half the games Leafs have last change.

 

[arso40]

Matthews regular season (605 games) sh% 15.9%
Matthews playoffs (55 games) sh% : 9.8%
Matthews last 3 games of playoffs in last 4 seasons (12 games) sh% 4.25%

If Matthews finished the setups that Marner gives him we wouldn't be having any of these discussions.

But he’s injured and cant I remember when guys you to get respect for playing thru injury

 

[thewave]

Might have even won more than 1 round.

Last 5 years:

Regular Season:
Matthews .73 G/PG, 16.5%, 1556 shots
Nylander .45 G/PG, 13.6%, 1195 shots

Playoffs:
Matthews .37 G/PG, 8.1%, 160 shots
Nylander .5 G/PG, 14.3%, 119 shots

Both shooting against the same goalies.
Has to be something, half the games Leafs have last change.

Matthews is consistently double teamed because Marner is a perimeter player. He would need to do a McDavid and sneak free and take the perfect pass. Marner was not really covered on that play for a reason at the four nations.

 

[IPS]

Might have even won more than 1 round.

Last 5 years:

Regular Season:
Matthews .73 G/PG, 16.5%, 1556 shots
Nylander .45 G/PG, 13.6%, 1195 shots

Playoffs:
Matthews .37 G/PG, 8.1%, 160 shots
Nylander .5 G/PG, 14.3%, 119 shots

Both shooting against the same goalies.
Has to be something, half the games Leafs have last change.

Nylander's just finishing more of those sweet feeds from Marner.