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Mitch Marner, Yet Again

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ULF_55 said:
Might have even won more than 1 round.

Last 5 years:

Regular Season:
Matthews .73 G/PG, 16.5%, 1556 shots
Nylander .45 G/PG, 13.6%, 1195 shots

Playoffs:
Matthews .37 G/PG, 8.1%, 160 shots
Nylander .5 G/PG, 14.3%, 119 shots

Both shooting against the same goalies.
Has to be something, half the games Leafs have last change.
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That would suggest that Nylander is less dependent on being set up than Matthews is, which makes sense as Marner is much less successful at setting up Matty in the playoffs, while Willy is the best on the team at creating scoring chances for himself.
 
ToneDog said:
Remind me again what we have won with him and this core making hundreds of millions of dollars? Keeping him and overpaying him is not necessarily the correct move after 8 years of playoff failure.

This high octane tournament is another example of Mitch not being able to keep up with the big boys. Forget his OT goal because there is no 3 on 3 OT in playoffs.

IMO if this guy was a team guy and had half a brain, he would have taken the Nylander deal based on the new cap. $12.5m-$12.8m and gained some goodwill from the fanbase. Was listening to Bryson yesterday and he asks his clients, do you want to make $500K more in a market you won't be happy in or $500K less in a market you will be happy in? Clearly Mitch wants both.

I got no time for this guy if he wants more than $13m and I think Leafs management agrees. Let him fail for another team.


Can you show his regulation highlights?
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So who you gonna start root toot tooting for when Marner pulls on the Maple Leaf next season?
 
I don't care if he walks, in fact I prefer it if the Leafs go out early again this year. The team will probably be worse without him but really what are they hanging on to if they bring him back? A legacy of choking and underachieving? Another half a dozen 1st/2nd round exits? My apathy with the team is higher than it's ever been and I've mostly tuned them out this year, if they bring him back after yet another one and done I honestly might write the Leafs off for good. In some ways this era is worse than the 2006-2016 years that came before it.
 
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ULF_55 said:
I won't blame marner for a quick exit this year, but I do expect it.

He is just one of the highest paid players on the team.

Without exaggeration marner is first and foremost a set-up man. He isn't a goal scorer in the post season. You can't twist anything anywhere to suggest he doesn't rely on scorers to produce his points.
Career he is tied with Rielly (11) at almost half the rate of Nylander (20) and less half Matthews (23). That's his function on offense setup the goal scorers.

However, both Nylander and Matthews goal production drops in the post season.

However,
Nylander drops from .38 G/PG to .37 G/PG.
Matthews drops from .64 G/PG to .42 G/PG.

So what the the root cause of that dramatic drop from Matthews?

Regardless, they don't have a Playoffs Alpha, someone to put the team on its back and drag the players into the battles. That's isn't marner's job or issue and is not something you can place any blame on. There is no Tkachuk like there was in London.

We should just appreciate what he brings during the regular season, which helps get them another 7 or so games we can enjoy.
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If we have a quick exit there will be more than one player to blame as always.

I wouldn't call .38 G/PG going to .37 a "drop". As far as Matthews goes, I'm not sure it's possible to pinpoint one thing but considering Marner's point production drops more than Matthews and they play together it's probably fair to say that Marner's play is probably a factor. All I can say for sure is both of them need to be better, no much better in the playoffs. Nylander's our only star player who doesn't fade in the playoffs and that's just not enough.

Our playoff ROI for JT/M&M is abysmal.
 
I was listening to Overdrive this morning (I think it was Fridays show?) and the "boys" were falling all over themselves shoveling up excuses for Matthews season, hidden injuries, exhaustion etc etc, basically finding and excusing his piss poor performance's this year. Just like a lot of peeps here do, I'm not saying he didn't play some good hockey this year, because he did occasionally.

I thought to myself what if it was Marner having this kind of season, what if Marner just sort of day'd to day it for far too many days. Marner would be getting crucified, but as normal all quiet on the Matthews front. I even heard some people saying how it looked like his game was coming around against Florida, talk about being in denial!
 
therealkoho said:
I was listening to Overdrive this morning (I think it was Fridays show?) and the "boys" were falling all over themselves shoveling up excuses for Matthews season, hidden injuries, exhaustion etc etc, basically finding and excusing his piss poor performance's this year. Just like a lot of peeps here do, I'm not saying he didn't play some good hockey this year, because he did occasionally.

I thought to myself what if it was Marner having this kind of season, what if Marner just sort of day'd to day it for far too many days. Marner would be getting crucified, but as normal all quiet on the Matthews front. I even heard some people saying how it looked like his game was coming around against Florida, talk about being in denial!
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People are ripping Matthews a new one here. He isn't being spared. The thing is he actually missed time and had to go to Germany for treatment. That's why people are cutting him some slack.
 
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therealkoho said:
Sure part of the reason, the other part is blind devotion
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That sounds like a make belief deflection to make Marner once again, a victim.

Marner wants to be the highest paid player. How is It he plays with a 69 goal scoring Rocket winner and doesn't lead the league in points ever. Doesn't even get to 100. It doesn't even make sense.
 
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therealkoho said:
I was listening to Overdrive this morning (I think it was Fridays show?) and the "boys" were falling all over themselves shoveling up excuses for Matthews season, hidden injuries, exhaustion etc etc, basically finding and excusing his piss poor performance's this year. Just like a lot of peeps here do, I'm not saying he didn't play some good hockey this year, because he did occasionally.

I thought to myself what if it was Marner having this kind of season, what if Marner just sort of day'd to day it for far too many days. Marner would be getting crucified, but as normal all quiet on the Matthews front. I even heard some people saying how it looked like his game was coming around against Florida, talk about being in denial!
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I have posted on here that if it came down to Matthews or marner I'm not sure which I'd chose.

Troubling aspect is position. Centers are premium.

Seems obvious the once in a lifetime goal scorer or 1st. all star winger?
Kind of like would you have preferred Ovechkin and his one Cup or Toews with his 3?

One is a peripheral player, but the other is a mixed bag of nuts, and you never know when you pull you hand out peanuts or walnuts?

Would you do Braden Point and $4mm in Cap Space?
 
666 said:
Matthews regular season (605 games) sh% 15.9%
Matthews playoffs (55 games) sh% : 9.8%
Matthews last 3 games of playoffs in last 4 seasons (12 games) sh% 4.25%

If Matthews finished the setups that Marner gives him we wouldn't be having any of these discussions.
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What setups are you talking about? Do you have a pass stat to reference? Matthews has the same amount of primary assists for linemate Knies than playmaker Marner. This doesn't make any sense if Marner is some wonderkind playmaker that some try to describe him as. Especially considering Matthews is actually a shooting threat while Marner just sets up on the perimeter and sauces passes.
 
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