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Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

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Smif said:
You shouldn't be able to use that logic but I think he has one of the best agents in the league. He saps every last penny that he can from the franchise for his players.
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An agents job is also to control PR for a player and he is terrible at it. Mitch would have a much easier go, less pressure, etc if his team wasn't so bad at it. Sure he gets his clients money, but he struggles to get them admiration.
 
Schenn said:
An agents job is also to control PR for a player and he is terrible at it. Mitch would have a much easier go, less pressure, etc if his team wasn't so bad at it. Sure he gets his clients money, but he struggles to get them admiration.
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Very very true, I wonder if "the letter" was his idea 🙄
 
Schenn said:
An agents job is also to control PR for a player and he is terrible at it. Mitch would have a much easier go, less pressure, etc if his team wasn't so bad at it. Sure he gets his clients money, but he struggles to get them admiration.
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A lot of that is due to the lack of playoff success. No amount of PR can fix that. I think when Marner signed his deal, I’m sure they envisioned they’d have a deep run or two. So the contract would be more palatable. Obviously with hindsight that has never happened
 
DarkKnight said:
I'd bet it all there have been several contracts already offered. His agent likes to go to the wire and thinks the rising cap is a factor. I'd be stunned if 12 mil wasn't already offered, just look at our internal salaries, slightly above Willie with a bigger cap, it's just baked in. Again, I don't buy for a second the Leafs haven't tried hard, perhaps they've backed off now because Ferris clearly wants to hit July 1, but don't confuse that with Tre not making offers, they clearly have.
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Certainly possible, we don't have much to go on, but outside of Ferris' reputation, that's all guesswork. And imo, it doesn't align very well with the few actions and inactions we have been privy to direct from the source.

Anyways it doesn't really matter that much, we're in the dark, and this isn't the arena to explore it.

Marner just legit Brett Hull sniped it from the knee tonight, so we'll see if that one gets taken away with freeze frames and the like.
 
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ClarkSittler said:
"If you’ve ‘provided plenty’ to back up your claim, then why does your argument rely so heavily on selective framing? You keep insisting Marner is better in every game state, but that’s simply not true. Rantanen is the better goal scorer, just as capable a playmaker, and has consistently elevated his game when it matters most. You dismiss his physical attributes as ‘bonus points,’ but size, strength, and the ability to protect the puck are actual hockey skills that contribute to a player’s impact.

You also claim I’m ignoring context while conveniently downplaying the fact that Rantanen has outperformed Marner in crucial situations, particularly in the playoffs, where the game tightens up and individual impact is magnified. Sure, Marner is a strong defensive forward, but let’s not pretend Rantanen is a liability, his two-way play is strong, and his ability to dominate possession is just as valuable.

You’re trying to frame this as a refusal to engage in productive discussion, but really, you just don’t like that I’m challenging your biased narrative. If we’re talking about full context, then we can’t just cherry-pick which aspects matter—Rantanen has proven himself just as valuable, if not more, in key moments. If you truly want a fair discussion, acknowledge that instead of dismissing it.
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Dude you're wasting your time. Don't waste good posts on a bot.
 
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Aashir said:
Pastrnak's last contract and this one has a M-NTC (8-10-10 teams) through the last three years
Rantanen's last contract had a 2 year M-NTC (9-9 teams)
Sebastian Aho's current contract has a 1 year M-NTC (15 teams)
Brayden Point's last three years have a 3 year M-NTC (10 teams throughout)
Even draisaitl's last contract had a M-NTC but for 10 teams
hell even kucherov had a M-NTC for the last 3 years of his deal (10 teams throughout)

meanwhile we handed out NMC's to Matthews and Marner completely and to Nylander too, and there is a mix of UFA and RFA signings above so that can't be the reason either.

it isn't the most flexibility as the player still gets to chose where he goes, but it makes a move such as this possible from the franchise's standpoint vs a full NMC

it is Dubas's (Tre in the nylander UFA and Matthews UFA deals) fault that he gave them everything (High AAV's, shorter terms, full move protections) and in the deals we got nothing back
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We gave Domi and Kampf stronger NTCs than Pasta or any of those guys lmao
 
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PromisedLand said:
dubas is THE WORST THING that ever happened to the Leafs since Ballard. yes even WORSE than teachers pension plan bullshit
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I would actually put Shanahan above.

Shanahan knows what it takes to win. But he sold the entirety of his soul to corporate schmoozing.

There is a place in hockey Hell for that man. To me, he's more guilty than Dubas.

EDIT: I don't believe I'm saying this, but I wonder if I've been too hard on Dubas since it's clear that Shanahan had significant input as to the major decisions that blew up in our faces? Or maybe not because f*** him?
 
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Do you guys think it was MM’s camp who leaked that he vetoed to waive to get trades and thought this will win the fans over.

And it back fire a big way.
 
Gabriel426 said:
Do you guys think it was MM’s camp who leaked that he vetoed to waive to get trades and thought this will win the fans over.

And it back fire a big way.
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Yeah if his goal was to piss us and the front office off more, mission accomplished.

I don't think Marner's camp leaked this because it is not beneficial to him to do so.
 
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sxvnert said:
He'll pull a Rantanen. 14m from Toronto or 12m from a team down south.
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If the front office had any brains they would just offer him 12×8, then tell him the deal is on the table until UFA starts then that money is getting spent elsewhere

It's hard to even get "fair" if you continually keep bettering your last offer
 
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MacK, Necas and Makar with no points and -4. 16, 34, 91 and 88 with 9 points in total and we are tied at 4 and being heavily outplayed. That is what depth can do for you.

Check that. MacKinnon just gave them the lead. That there is what studs do.
 
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