Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[666]

What proof do you have they're making any of this up?

Common sense and reading between the lines of what's been reported would suggest the Leafs have likely made a fairly generous offer to Marner without knowing every single detail.

Do you honestly think the Leafs haven't offered him more money than say Nylander?

I have no proof that anyone is making anything up but teams and agents have used the media to negotiate in the past.
Define fairly generous and provide the term.
I have no idea if the Leafs have offered more than Nylander but they better.
With the cap going to $113M in a few years I wouldn't be surprised if he looks at UFA.

 

[ToneDog]

Yep.

And ther e also been other reporting than beside the stuff that's come out the past 48H

The idea that all of a sudden all of Canada's hockey media has decided to make stuff up collectively about Marner and his current negotiations is nonsense

We have members of his PR crew on this board telling us they are full of shit. Hope they have their tails between their legs today, especially the p***y from hell.

 

[Confucius]

I think we just consider Marner a rental and just go balls to the wall. We use our 10mil + 11 (JT) + 12 (Marner) and we retool.

Unfortunately Bennett is a Ferris client, hopefully we can nab a 2c, 2LW and another solid dman on July 1. We will be in a good position if so.

Actually we may have more than 11 million in cap space if Mitch leaves. We would have whatever he signs for because that’s what it would have cost us.

 

[ToneDog]

Wouldn't be shocked if Marner wanted Draisaitl money.

Kypreos was bang on and took a lot of heat for saying it only to back off the next day and said $13.8m.

 

[IPS]

We have members of his PR crew on this board telling us they are full of shit. Hope they have their tails between their legs today, especially the p***y from hell.

Hasn't this whole saga gotten so much more entertaining?

We've gone from "the haters are gonna lose their minds when Marner re-signs soon" to "He's gonna test UFA and it's his right to do so."

 

[ToneDog]

Actually we may have more than 11 million in cap space if Mitch leaves. We would have whatever he signs for because that’s what it would have cost us.

We also have Tavares' $11 million dollars. He can leave as well if he thinks he is worth $7mx3.

 

[Bust]

Actually we may have more than 11 million in cap space if Mitch leaves. We would have whatever he signs for because that’s what it would have cost us.

That's a great point actually.

We lock up our boy Knies and we have over 30mil to cook.

 

[Menzinger]

I have no proof that anyone is making anything up but teams and agents have used the media to negotiate in the past.
Define fairly generous and provide the term.
I have no idea if the Leafs have offered more than Nylander but they better.
With the cap going to $113M in a few years I wouldn't be surprised if he looks at UFA.

I'd wager anything the Leafs have offered him 8 years at an aav that's between 12mil and less than Matthew's 13.4, which would make Mitch one of the highest paid wingers in the cap era.

It's his right to chase dollars in free agency, but folks also shouldn't complain when he becomes a heel to most fans as a result.

 

[leafs in five]

I wish this greedy entitled ineffective perimeter player would sign a huge contract extension with us already

 

[leafs in five]

It's his right to chase dollars in free agency, but folks also shouldn't complain when he becomes a heel to most fans as a result.

I think he'd be a bigger heel on here anyway if he re-signed for 13m per. fans of his would have a right to be aggrieved but those who think he's a ripoff at 10.9 should be grateful if he prices himself out of TO.

 

[Warden of the North]

Asked to waive his NTC yesterday per Friedman (trade for Rantanen).

He's gone this summer.

 

[Doublerum1975]

Asked to waive his NTC yesterday per Friedman (trade for Rantanen).

He's gone this summer.

Are you talking about Mitch?

 

[TorMapleJays]

Asked to waive his NTC yesterday per Friedman (trade for Rantanen).

He's gone this summer.

Why wouldn’t he accept a trade? Wants to screw Toronto over as much as he can on his way out?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Tell Ferris that we don't negotiate with terrorists, put a 8 year 12M offer on the table and let him prove how much he actually wants to be a Leaf. Straight up I would just tell them that this is the offer, it isn't going to change. Let us know.

 

[Gabriel426]

I asked this question a month or two ago and only a few posters agree with me that maybe MM wants to walk.

It is his right to leave and also Leafs right not to sign him for whatever he is asking.

 

[TorMapleJays]

Yep.

And ther e also been other reporting than beside the stuff that's come out the past 48H

The idea that all of a sudden all of Canada's hockey media has decided to make stuff up collectively about Marner and his current negotiations is nonsense

They would be risking their life going after Mitch. They would receive a visit from his paid thugs.

 

[Gabriel426]

It really doesn't say that at all. Once again you hear what you want to hear but not actual reality. What Toronto wants is certainty, they wanted one of them signed for long-term rather than hopefully one of them signed by summer.

But if Tre offered MM for Rantanen, it means a of now, Leafs MGT believe they had more chance with Ranta than MM. what does that say about MM’s number?

 

[666]

I'd wager anything the Leafs have offered him 8 years at an aav that's between 12mil and less than Matthew's 13.4, which would make Mitch one of the highest paid wingers in the cap era.

It's his right to chase dollars in free agency, but folks also shouldn't complain when he becomes a heel to most fans as a result.

I don't know man. I'm not going to go through the whole percentage of the cap thing that others like to do but if Marner wants to have two more contracts similar to what Matthews has done, then 8 years will probably leave some money on the table with the huge cap increases coming. I could see the Leafs wanting 8 years but Marner might not want that and therefore UFA is just as good as the Leafs if he only wants a 3 or 4 year deal. He can go to UFA, see what he can get for 3 or 4 years and offer the highest bidders bid to the Leafs and see what they do and decide from there. That's what I would do.

 

[Gabriel426]

Asked to waive but refused.

My prediction of Marner being moved at the deadline came really close,but no cigar.

Either MM doesn’t want to leave or knows Canes can’t give him his numbers or abit of both.

Wondered did Tre also asked MM to waive for Stars?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Actually, I’m just giving Rantanen the recognition he deserves based on his consistent performance, especially when it matters most in the playoffs. It’s not about inflating his value, it’s about acknowledging the full scope of his impact his size, scoring ability, and two-way game, which is better than Marner's.
While Marner certainly brings a lot to the table offensively and defensively, saying he's superior in every game state ignores Rantanen’s undeniable impact. Rantanen's offensive game, especially his goal-scoring ability, is elite, and his playmaking is just as dangerous. He can take over games, especially in tight situations or during high-stakes moments, which is something Marner hasn’t consistently done to the same extent.
Saying something ‘speaks for itself’ means the results are clear. Rantanen’s impact is evident without needing to twist the narrative. You claim to be pointing out context, but in reality, you're selectively framing it to fit your argument.
The context you’re ignoring? Rantanen’s goal-scoring dominance, his ability to elevate in the playoffs, and his physical presence, which adds another dimension to his game that Marner simply doesn’t have. Context isn’t just about raw numbers—it’s about how a player’s skill set translates to winning hockey. And in that regard, Rantanen has proven himself just as much, if not more, than Marner."
Yes I agree you've provided nothing to back up your claim.

I have provided plenty to back up my statement. The only thing you have provided are these subjective statements propping up Rantanen. While Rantanen certainly brings a lot to the table offensively, Marner is a better producer than him; both overall and in each game state, as I showed. Defensively, Marner far surpasses Rantanen. Marner also brings PK impacts and takes on the toughest situations in each game state.

You have ignored this, attempted to give Rantanen bonus points for his physical attributes and team success, and shifted your focus exclusively to playoffs. But not the full picture. You have isolated only playoff production, while refusing to acknowledge how disparate circumstances in the playoffs impact that production, the context behind it, and their performance in everything outside of just production. Marner is the better and more valuable player, but you don't seem interested in productive discussion, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Warden of the North]

Are you talking about Mitch?

Yes. Friedman started HNIC with it. More at intermission.

Leafs had the trade worked out, Mitch for Rantanen. He refused to waive his NTC.

 

[Superstar]

Kypreos was bang on and took a lot of heat for saying it only to back off the next day and said $13.8m.

The guy has never hit 100 points in a season, but wants to be paid like a Hart and Art Ross winner...illusions of grandeur and totally delusional...he could rid his a55 out of Toronto.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Isn't it surreal to have a GM who actually knows how to hardball?

How to hardball someone with full control of the situation?

 

[Smif]

But if Tre offered MM for Rantanen, it means a of now, Leafs MGT believe they had more chance with Ranta than MM. what does that say about MM’s number?

The difference is Rantanen was ready to sign yesterday, Marner isn't yet. That's all it is. Tre went for the sure thing. Didn't work.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

They are shameless. The price is set. It's in the 12m range at the max realistically even less but will be more then WN.

Some other team might pay that. In no world is he worth more than Rantanen. Marner is a glorified Aho in the regular season and a dismal playoff failure.