Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[LeafEgo]

This latest inside intel (probably not true) that he is waiting to see how the playoffs go before deciding if he will return is pretty hysterical, ok bud..

The only real information we have is what we were privy to last off season. Though limited, seemed like the best bet was Leafs had no intention of making an offer through the season.

Assuming that's the case unless anything credible is released to the contrary.

 

[ClarkSittler]

Letting him walk is bad asset management sign him and trade him to a team who believes in the koolaid

I agree — the key is getting him to sign a new contract without a no-move clause. You could offer him more money to waive it, maybe something around $14 +million per year, but at that price, who’s going to want him? He’s got us backed into a corner right now, and unfortunately, I doubt we end up getting anything for him.

 

[francis246]

This latest inside intel (probably not true) that he is waiting to see how the playoffs go before deciding if he will return is pretty hysterical, ok bud..

The only real information we have is what we were privy to last off season. Though limited, seemed like the best bet was Leafs had no intention of making an offer through the season.

Assuming that's the case unless anything credible is released to the contrary.

Why is that hysterical? We know for a fact that post Boston series there were a number of teams that reach out to Toronto to see if they could acquire him.

He’s also been getting his back kicked in by fans year after year. At some point you get sick and tired of that shit. No amount of money/childhood dreams is worth coming back and dealing with it.

Marner is going to have plenty of suitors in UFA. I don’t think he’s going to get a. 14 mill per year contract but he can go to a good team if he wants. He’s in his prime and players like him don’t often hit the market. The only thing we’ve heard is contrary to what you’re saying. The leafs want to sign him and Marner wants to be leaf. But if the playoffs don’t work out I think it’s perfectly reasonable for both the player and team to agree that it’s just not working here.

 

[arso40]

Why is that hysterical? We know for a fact that post Boston series there were a number of teams that reach out to Toronto to see if they could acquire him.

He’s also been getting his back kicked in by fans year after year. At some point you get sick and tired of that shit. No amount of money/childhood dreams is worth coming back and dealing with it.

Marner is going to have plenty of suitors in UFA. I don’t think he’s going to get a. 14 mill per year contract but he can go to a good team if he wants. He’s in his prime and players like him don’t often hit the market. The only thing we’ve heard is contrary to what you’re saying. The leafs want to sign him and Marner wants to be leaf. But if the playoffs don’t work out I think it’s perfectly reasonable for both the player and team to agree that it’s just not working here.

Hes a great player but he’s replaceable the same as the rest

 

[hullsy47]

Why is that hysterical? We know for a fact that post Boston series there were a number of teams that reach out to Toronto to see if they could acquire him.

He’s also been getting his back kicked in by fans year after year. At some point you get sick and tired of that shit. No amount of money/childhood dreams is worth coming back and dealing with it.

Marner is going to have plenty of suitors in UFA. I don’t think he’s going to get a. 14 mill per year contract but he can go to a good team if he wants. He’s in his prime and players like him don’t often hit the market. The only thing we’ve heard is contrary to what you’re saying. The leafs want to sign him and Marner wants to be leaf. But if the playoffs don’t work out I think it’s perfectly reasonable for both the player and team to agree that it’s just not working here.

Untill rogers takes the extra seats on the MSLE board shanahan will never move on from the core

 

[tuckerintensity]

According to Kypreos:
"The fact is, Marner's no-movement clause makes this situation rather easy to understand. After many failed spring playoff attempts, only a deep post-season run can give management a shot at re-signing him this off-season. Another early playoff exit and Marner is as good as gone."

Oh, the great Limp Dykreos. The last time this guy broke anything was Grant Fuhr.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Why is that hysterical? We know for a fact that post Boston series there were a number of teams that reach out to Toronto to see if they could acquire him.

He’s also been getting his back kicked in by fans year after year. At some point you get sick and tired of that shit. No amount of money/childhood dreams is worth coming back and dealing with it.

Marner is going to have plenty of suitors in UFA. I don’t think he’s going to get a. 14 mill per year contract but he can go to a good team if he wants. He’s in his prime and players like him don’t often hit the market. The only thing we’ve heard is contrary to what you’re saying. The leafs want to sign him and Marner wants to be leaf. But if the playoffs don’t work out I think it’s perfectly reasonable for both the player and team to agree that it’s just not working here.

Now this, this is hysterical. Just recently Marner talked about how he's treated like a god here, does that sound like something that's hard to deal with?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Now this, this is hysterical. Just recently Marner talked about how he's treated like a god here, does that sound like something that's hard to deal with?

He mentioned at the end of last season that the fans treat players "kinda like gods".

 

[francis246]

Untill rogers takes the extra seats on the MSLE board shanahan will never move on from the core

I’m not so sure that’s true, look at the jays. Rogers is willing to walk away from both vlad and Bichette.. i have my theories on ed rogers…

 

[hullsy47]

I’m not so sure that’s true, look at the jays. Rogers is willing to walk away from both vlad and Bichette.. i have my theories on ed rogers…

Well vladdy was offered good money
Bichette might be a blessing if he goes
Rogers went aftrr ohtani bergman etc
Im sure if ted rogers finds out mcdavid wants to leave edmonton no one will beat his offer

 

[francis246]

Well vladdy was offered good money
Bichette might be a blessing if he goes
Rogers went aftrr ohtani bergman etc
Im sure if ted rogers finds out mcdavid wants to leave edmonton no one will beat his offer

Don’t want to turn it to Jay’s talk haha but they completely botched Vlad negotiations . You can’t tip your hand that you have between 500-700 mill available for star players then turn around and refuse to pay your best player and home grown talent his number. You lose all leverage doing that and piss the player off too. They should have taken care of his contract years ago when the number was lower instead of going to arbitration.

 

[IPS]

Now this, this is hysterical. Just recently Marner talked about how he's treated like a god here, does that sound like something that's hard to deal with?

Sheesh that narrative switches a lot eh?

One day I read that the Marner "haters" are such a small subsection of fans that nobody pays attention to them and now today I'm reading these meanie fans are directly driving Marner away from Toronto.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Sheesh that narrative switches a lot eh?

One day I read that the Marner "haters" are such a small subsection of fans that nobody pays attention to them and now today I'm reading these meanie fans are directly driving Marner away from Toronto.

Did anyone say that or do believe it was implied?

 

[Sundinisagod]

Why is that hysterical? We know for a fact that post Boston series there were a number of teams that reach out to Toronto to see if they could acquire him.

He’s also been getting his back kicked in by fans year after year. At some point you get sick and tired of that shit. No amount of money/childhood dreams is worth coming back and dealing with it.

Marner is going to have plenty of suitors in UFA. I don’t think he’s going to get a. 14 mill per year contract but he can go to a good team if he wants. He’s in his prime and players like him don’t often hit the market. The only thing we’ve heard is contrary to what you’re saying. The leafs want to sign him and Marner wants to be leaf. But if the playoffs don’t work out I think it’s perfectly reasonable for both the player and team to agree that it’s just not working here.

If no amount of money is worth that, then why did he demand such an overpayment contract? Anybody could have seen this coming. If he had taken a market value contract like 9m x 6, he wouldn't be in this position, but clearly it was worth it to him for an extra 2m per.

 

[francis246]

If no amount of money is worth that, then why did he demand such an overpayment contract? Anybody could have seen this coming. If he had taken a market value contract like 9m x 6, he wouldn't be in this position, but clearly it was worth it to him for an extra 2m per.

How do we know he’s demanded anything? From what I’ve read, they aren’t negotiating right now? They are waiting to see until the playoffs are over correct? So these numbers are all bullshit and speculation. This whole 14 million number came about because some insider reported that Rantanen was looking for 14 million and he assumes Marner would be looking for the same.

We recently got reports that Rantanen was never looking for 14 million. CJ and Dreger both acknowledged Marner does not have any intention on being the highest paid leaf. So wake up a smell the coffee. That 14 million number was rage click bait from the start and many of you fell for it head over heels. I don’t think either Rantanen or Marner is sniffing 14 million and this is coming from someone who wants to keep Marner and likes his game.

 

[francis246]

If no amount of money is worth that, then why did he demand such an overpayment contract? Anybody could have seen this coming. If he had taken a market value contract like 9m x 6, he wouldn't be in this position, but clearly it was worth it to him for an extra 2m per.

Sorry I misread your post, you’re talking about his last contract. I posted videos in his other thread. I posted one of Deebo Samuel and I posted another one of Jeff Teague. I also posted a link to a Nick Robertson article. In most cases players completely leave the negotiations to the agents.

In the Deebo video I posted, deboo got an offer for a crazy amount of money. He was ready to sign the offer. His agent in the YouTube video literally said, we are not touching that offer, they can get more, Deboo in the video said it was the most amount of money he’d seen ever.

Jeff Teague anecdoted in is video that he wanted to resign with a team, he told that to his agent and his agent signed him to a free agent contract in a destination he didn’t want to be because it was like 15 million more. Both videos outline that agents really control the process, they are going to push for the max amount of money players can get, even if that isn’t the players intention. I do believe a similar situation played out for Marner, I think he got bad advice from his agent and his agent did what he needed to do to get as much money as possible. It’s still on Marner but those two videos were eye opening in terms of seeing that the agents job is to push the upper limit for super stars as far as the team is willing to go. Also I think the players thought the cap was going up so the contract would even out within a year or two and others would pass. They didn’t anticipate covid happening, no one did. It’s what they and Kyle were banking on, we know now it back fired. There’s no way to reasonably expect that team would be 1-8 in playoff series and the world would stop.

 

[BraveCanadian]

I agree — the key is getting him to sign a new contract without a no-move clause.

Still a 0 chance of this happening no matter how many times it is brought up here.

Hell even a bum like Domi got limited no movement.

 

[ClarkSittler]

Still a 0 chance of this happening no matter how many times it is brought up here.

Hell even a bum like Domi got limited no movement.

I agree the chances are very low, but I wouldn't say zero, Rantanen signed for 9 million+ on his current contract and it doesn't have no movement. Give Marner enough money and I think he'd waive the NMC but again no other team will want him at 14 million or more, so we're screwed either way.

 

[ClarkSittler]

Don’t want to turn it to Jay’s talk haha but they completely botched Vlad negotiations . You can’t tip your hand that you have between 500-700 mill available for star players then turn around and refuse to pay your best player and home grown talent his number. You lose all leverage doing that and piss the player off too. They should have taken care of his contract years ago when the number was lower instead of going to arbitration.

Yep and Marner's contract should've been looked after before his NMC kicked in. That was another major screw up by Shanahan. When he was making up his mind up about Dubas he should've had a plan for Marner, he couldn't expect Treliving to make a decision like that only days into the new job.

 

[Stephen]

Not at all. I don't base my entire evaluation on playoff outcome in the first place, and when I do look at the playoffs, I look at what actually happened, and attribute blame or credit accordingly.

That’s an odd statement considering your negativity towards Berube and his 0-0 playoff record.

 

[arso40]

How do we feel about this

 

[Evilhomer]

How do we feel about this

We feel that it is nonsense.

 

[francis246]

How do we feel about this

The thing is unless Marner comes out and says it. It’s hard to know what the truth is. We just simply don’t. This could be true, but possibly it could be about money. Who knows

Personally, I’m leaning towards money is a factor but maybe not number one. I think Marner maybe wants to get paid but I also think he probably could be wondering if it’s time to leave. The team as a whole hasn’t won shit. So I think it’s a combo of both. As I said earlier, the 4 nations was probably not great for the leafs because the conversations had there could easily influence him to walk, maybe not for money but for the opportunities to play with guys there.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yep and Marner's contract should've been looked after before his NMC kicked in. That was another major screw up by Shanahan. When he was making up his mind up about Dubas he should've had a plan for Marner, he couldn't expect Treliving to make a decision like that only days into the new job.

Being ready to make a call on Marner should have been the top criteria on who gets the job. His agent is known for walking guys to UFA and his value around the league isn’t exactly a secret that only the Leaf GM knows.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The thing is unless Marner comes out and says it. It’s hard to know what the truth is. We just simply don’t. This could be true, but possibly it could be about money. Who knows

Personally, I’m leaning towards money is a factor but maybe not number one. I think Marner maybe wants to get paid but I also think he probably could be wondering if it’s time to leave. The team as a whole hasn’t won shit. So I think it’s a combo of both. As I said earlier, the 4 nations was probably not great for the leafs because the conversations had there could easily influence him to walk, maybe not for money but for the opportunities to play with guys there.

Money is almost always a factor so safe to say that it's a factor here. And even if Marner came out and said money wasn't an issue, IMO it would be pretty naive to believe it.

Nobody can know whether it's number one or if he's thinking it's maybe time to leave or anything else. You use the words "probably could be wondering" which is about as vague and meaningless as could possibly so sure, you could say that.

It's also fair to say it "could be", that Marner is "probably wondering" what contract term he should take in order to maximize his earning.

We feel that it is nonsense.

Yup. Every now and then I glance at the headlines on my phone when I have some time to kill, the amount of idiotic nonsense trying to pass itself off as news is pretty mind blowing. I guess what I would say is that the percentage of "news" stories out there that are not nonsense is incredibly small.