Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[thewave]

Read it "when your that size"... Where does he mention weak? You are inferring weakness by assuming Cooper implied it.
In summary, he did not mention it.

I don't think he is going to be lifting any jugs of milk anytime soon. Well, anyways he doesn't seem very strong

 

[fahad203]

not sure if this will make sense or not, but this is the problem, we are always going after Bennett, Wilson, Gourde, Tanev, Montour...

we needed to find them before they broke out i.e. Bennett from Calgary, Wilson pre-breakout, gourde from tampa, tanev from vancouver, Montour from anaheim. Those were the times to aqcuire these players, when they costed only draft picks but had multiple seasons at low cap hits

we need to find the next iteration of these players (good players in bad situations/on bad teams making less) and nab those guys. Not the players who have won, sacrificed their body and added tough injuries and games played onto it

We will end up overpaying for players who have a ton of mileage on them and will be less effective and breakdown.

McMann is one of those type of players, because he is on a great deal as we signed him when he was on the uptick, but still not doing much.

The thing about Bennet is though he wasn't this always crazy. Same with Josh Anderson. Apparently Josh never fought in juniors or his early year in NHL. Then one fine morning he decided to be a total D**** towards everybody

We just need to find out what they were mixing in their pre-workout

I have zero interest in Bennett. Likeable player, I love old school player, but he's going to want to hit a home run with that contract. His style is always one injury away, one knockout away from being totally ineffective

 

[Antropovsky]

Read it "when your that size"... Where does he mention weak? You are inferring weakness by assuming Cooper implied it.
In summary, he did not mention it.

Lol... what do you think he means? If Marner is of average height on the team, how can it not mean he's weak? Cooper is saying his size is a disadvantage. Yet, he's taller than Crosby. Nobody talks about Crosby's size putting him at a disadvantage.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I don't think he is going to be lifting any jugs of milk anytime soon. Well, anyways he doesn't seem very strong

He might not. It is up to him. Still Cooper didn't mention that. He may have implied it. Some one will have to ask him.

Lol... what do you think he means? If Marner is of average height on the team, how can it not mean he's weak?

It is irrelevant what you I or anyone else thinks he means. He may have implied exactly that. He didn't mention it. Some one will have to ask him for clarification.

 

[Antropovsky]

He might not. It is up to him. Still Cooper didn't mention that. He may have implied it. Some one will have to ask him.


It is irrelevant what you I or anyone else thinks he means. He may have implied exactly that. He didn't mention it. Some one will have to ask him for clarification.

But your not explaining your thought process. Probably because you have realized you cant explain it..because it makes no sense.

What else could he mean? Marner isn't short. So that would only mean weight is the issue. But if it has nothing to do with strength... than how would a lack of weight be a problem?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Mitch must play a defensive 3rd line role in playoff type hockey as he can't skate at playoff speed pure and simple fact .. been like that since he was 5 years old living in Clarington .. it is on full display at 4 Nations .. it will occur again one playoffs start .. his technical stride is da issue and although it lets him "whirl in a phone booth" better then rest of world bottom line he can't keep up to game speed up and down da ice .. he can play very well in each zone once puck is established in either end .. lets hope he can be effective as a defensive force in final on 3rd line .. but he must stay entirely focused on defense and can't pull a Pasta move like last playoffs

 

[Leaf Fans]

But your not explaining your thought process. Probably because you have realized you cant explain it..because it makes no sense.

What else could he mean? Marner isn't short. So that would only mean weight is the issue. But if it has nothing to do with strength... than how would a lack of weight be a problem?

Again, you are just making things up. I watched the video, I posted the transcript. Cooper did not mention the word "weak" applying it as a description of Marner. You said he did he did by posting a quote without the word weak. Now you are suggesting that I should infer it because you did. And you would like me to accept your incorrect assessment.

Mitch must play a defensive 3rd line role in playoff type hockey as he can't skate at playoff speed pure and simple fact .. been like that since he was 5 years old living in Clarington .. it is on full display at 4 Nations .. it will occur again one playoffs start .. his technical stride is da issue and although it lets him "whirl in a phone booth" better then rest of world bottom line he can't keep up to game speed up and down da ice .. he can play very well in each zone once puck is established in either end .. lets hope he can be effective as a defensive force in final on 3rd line .. but he must stay entirely focused on defense and can't pull a Pasta move like last playoffs

He played ohe against Finland. I would like to see Crosby center hat third line against the USA.

 

[Antropovsky]

Again, you are just making things up. I watched the video, I posted the transcript. Cooper did not mention the word "weak" applying it as a description of Marner. You said he did he did by posting a quote without the word weak. Now you are suggesting that I should infer it because you did. And you would like me to accept your incorrect assessment.


He played ohe against Finland. I would like to see Crosby center hat third line against the USA.

Again...you avoided the question.

Marner is not short. He's average in height.

Which leaves only his weight. 180lbs is small.

But... if it has nothing to do with strength then what other benefit would more weight be?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Again...you avoided the question.

Marner is not short. He's average in height.

Which leaves only his weight. 180lbs is small.

But... if it has nothing to do with strength then what other benefit would more weight be?

I have not avoided any question. I don't know exactly what Cooper meant. He did not use the word weak. He may have implied it. Some one will have to ask him. You want it to meet your preexisting bias. It is normal to do so. I just don't accept it.

 

[francis246]

Again, you are just making things up. I watched the video, I posted the transcript. Cooper did not mention the word "weak" applying it as a description of Marner. You said he did he did by posting a quote without the word weak. Now you are suggesting that I should infer it because you did. And you would like me to accept your incorrect assessment.


He played ohe against Finland. I would like to see Crosby center hat third line against the USA.

Agree with you. No where does he mention weak. The fact that he’s trying to force you to agree to his interpretation or inference of what cooper said is bs.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Again...you avoided the question.

Marner is not short. He's average in height.

Which leaves only his weight. 180lbs is small.

But... if it has nothing to do with strength then what other benefit would more weight be?

Mitch is 6ft with skates on .. and he is easily moved off puck which is why is always swirls and twirls around and never attacks net straight on .. it is his self preservation instincts

 

[thewave]

Agree with you. No where does he mention weak. The fact that he’s trying to force you to agree to his interpretation or inference of what cooper said is bs.

Aho has thicker wrists than Marners neck.

He is not a strong guy. He gets pushed off the puck easily and has to stick check and strip pucks with his gaming hands.

 

[arso40]

Mitch must play a defensive 3rd line role in playoff type hockey as he can't skate at playoff speed pure and simple fact .. been like that since he was 5 years old living in Clarington .. it is on full display at 4 Nations .. it will occur again one playoffs start .. his technical stride is da issue and although it lets him "whirl in a phone booth" better then rest of world bottom line he can't keep up to game speed up and down da ice .. he can play very well in each zone once puck is established in either end .. lets hope he can be effective as a defensive force in final on 3rd line .. but he must stay entirely focused on defense and can't pull a Pasta move like last playoffs

Agree get orielly and staple them together with jarnkrok or another defensive forward and put the scores in the top 6

 

[Antropovsky]

Agree with you. No where does he mention weak. The fact that he’s trying to force you to agree to his interpretation or inference of what cooper said is bs.

Sure, you answer then. Why would Cooper talk about his size as a disadvantage.... if it has nothing to do with lack of strength? Again, we know Marner isn't considered short at 6'.

 

[Ports]

Fine line between criticizing and hate.

No there isn’t. Most fans want their team to win and criticizing them when they don’t is fair game. On the other hand there are fans who care less about the team winning as long as they have a star player to faun over and lose all objectivity because of that.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Aho has thicker wrists than Marners neck.

He is not a strong guy. He gets pushed off the puck easily and has to stick check and strip pucks with his gaming hands.

No he doesn't.

 

[arso40]

No there isn’t. Most fans want their team to win and criticizing them when they don’t is fair game. On the other hand there are fans who care less about the team winning as long as they have a star player to faun over and lose all objectivity because of that.

Well f*****g said

No he doesn't.

Hes being sarcastic point still stands marner looks like a video gamer

The sooner we take the blinders and biases away from ALL players the more realistic we can be with the direction this team is going in

 

[Ports]

Everyone has enough picture to say 13m range is insane. 12.5m is insane. 11.5m is insane but getting reasonable and don't worry I know Nylander is not worth his 11.5m either. These are 10m players on the new projected 94m cap. JT 7m+ for 3 years is also insane.

I don’t even think it’s as much about the money as it is that the core group aren’t good enough playoff performers and will never win a cup together so something needs to change and he’s the obvious choice. Let someone else overpay him and if he wins a cup somewhere else so be it because he won’t be winning one as a Leaf. On the other hand with the cap going up and money to spend, the Leafs have an opportunity to build a deeper, more balanced roster that can compete for a cup. Even if Marner would take the same money as Willy, I wouldn’t sign him unless he has a great playoffs and the team gets to at least the Conference Final

 

[HolyCrap]

No there isn’t. Most fans want their team to win and criticizing them when they don’t is fair game. On the other hand there are fans who care less about the team winning as long as they have a star player to faun over and lose all objectivity because of that.

Exactly. Well said.

 

[The Shadow]

I don’t even think it’s as much about the money as it is that the core group aren’t good enough playoff performers and will never win a cup together so something needs to change and he’s the obvious choice. Let someone else overpay him and if he wins a cup somewhere else so be it because he won’t be winning one as a Leaf. On the other hand with the cap going up and money to spend, the Leafs have an opportunity to build a deeper, more balanced roster that can compete for a cup. Even if Marner would take the same money as Willy, I wouldn’t sign him unless he has a great playoffs and the team gets to at least the Conference Final

They might get to the Eastern final just based on finally having the best goalie tandem in the league

Also I would be shocked if Stolarz didn’t have making the 2026 Olympic team on his list of goals. He will be motivated

 

[Ports]

Just don't fall into the trap of thinking that his performance here will change anything in regards to MLSE's desire and willingness to bring him back and pay him very well for it.

If these player's actual playoff performance history had any bearing on their salaries or their still being a part of this team they'd all be gone by now.

MLSE has revealed how it operates repeatedly: They are all-in on this core and they're all going to be here until they want to leave or they retire.

I think Marner wanting to play somewhere else has some legs so hopefully the decision is out of MLSE’s hands.

 

[Ports]

They might get to the Eastern final just based on finally having the best goalie tandem in the league

Also I would be shocked if Stolarz didn’t have making the 2026 Olympic on his list of goals. He will be motivated

It’s certainly possible and it would be nice to have the better goaltending in a playoff series for once. Maybe MLSE can arrange for him to get Canadian citizenship before the Olympics so he can be our starting goalie. They seem to give that out to anybody who wants it these days

 

[Ports]

imo it's the opposite, only people who share my opinion of Mitch Marner actually care about the Leafs, and the crest on the front of the shirt, etc

Makes no sense but ok.

 

[francis246]

Sure, you answer then. Why would Cooper talk about his size as a disadvantage.... if it has nothing to do with lack of strength? Again, we know Marner isn't considered short at 6'.

1. I don’t give two shits about the comment. I really don’t. I don’t read that deeply into coaches comments. Whether he was talking about weight or height or strength doesn’t really matter to me. I just look at the comment for what it is, he’s a smaller guy. Which isn’t something anyone can really disagree with.

2. Who cares?

3. We need to stop fixating on useless stuff.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Well f*****g said




The sooner we take the blinders and biases away from ALL players the more realistic we can be with the direction this team is going in

Yeah, it would be nice to take the blinders off.