Mitch Marner Vs Brady Tkachuk for the future

[DingerMcSlapshot]

I wouldn't take Mitch for for League minimum. Scaredy-cat player.

 

[Xspyrit]

Explain to me how Hfboards ‘would rather’ have Brady and Stutzle than Matthews and Marner (supported by poll results) but Ottawa has both of those players and the team f***ing sucks.

Explain that ‘logic’ to me, because it doesn’t make any sense

Effectively, logic doesn't seem to be your forte. You're mixing up team results in a 19 players per team game in a thread designed to make individual comparisons.

Here is a simple thing for you to understand.

The answer of ‘cheaper is automatically better’ just sounds like you don’t want the best players available. Why would anyone choose a worse player? Because better players make more money?

Huh?

This is why Stutzle +5m in cap space became such a meme. Contracts can be relevant but when you’re talking about an actual superstar in the prime of their career vs a not even all star level player the difference isn’t $5m in cap space

I never seen anyone say "cheaper is automatically better". You are acting like there isn't varying degrees of quantifications. Not my fault if you can't follow logical arguments.

The Leafs players are better, everyone agrees, but they are not 8 M$ AAV more per year and 6 contract years less better

And the Sens players were 21 and 24 y/o last season, compared to 26 y/o for the Leafs players... there is most likely a prime angle too...

Can you name the last time a player not great defensively developed into a Selke finalist? How often does that happen?

But the point I am making there is Matthews brings a lot of value in ways a lot of people choose to ignore when measuring players like this

Are you telling me Matthews was great defensively right away?

And where did I say that Stutzle will develop into a Selke finalist? Or that he would absolutely need to to be compared to Matthews?

 

[HockeyVirus]

Are you telling me Matthews was great defensively right away?

And where did I say that Stutzle will develop into a Selke finalist? Or that he would absolutely need to to be compared to Matthews?

...Yes? Look up his scouting reports in his draft year. He came into the league already very responsible.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2643105-nhl-player-comparisons-for-the-projected-top-10-prospects-in-the-2016-draft

1. Auston Matthews, C, Zurich Lions (NLA)​

YURI KADOBNOV/Getty Images

Who Is His Comparable? Auston Matthews of the Zurich Lions is a complete prospect, which makes him comparable to a complete center such as Anze Kopitar of the Los Angeles Kings. Matthews is that rare player who can be projected into all areas of the game, thanks to his size (6'2", 194 lbs), skill and speed.
How Are They Similar? Young players normally need some time to develop the defensive side of their game, and that will likely be true, but Matthews has that ability. Kopitar's career took that route—he scored well as a young man and then developed his two-way game while maintaining his offense. That may well be Matthews' path as an impact player.

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[Xspyrit]

...Yes? Look up his scouting reports in his draft year. He came into the league already very responsible.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2643105-nhl-player-comparisons-for-the-projected-top-10-prospects-in-the-2016-draft

1. Auston Matthews, C, Zurich Lions (NLA)​

YURI KADOBNOV/Getty Images

Who Is His Comparable? Auston Matthews of the Zurich Lions is a complete prospect, which makes him comparable to a complete center such as Anze Kopitar of the Los Angeles Kings. Matthews is that rare player who can be projected into all areas of the game, thanks to his size (6'2", 194 lbs), skill and speed.​

How Are They Similar? Young players normally need some time to develop the defensive side of their game, and that will likely be true, but Matthews has that ability. Kopitar's career took that route—he scored well as a young man and then developed his two-way game while maintaining his offense. That may well be Matthews' path as an impact player.​

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You're serious with this? lol

Look at the other names in that article and the comparisons

And didn't know that "very responsible" meant "great defensively"

Ok thanks!

 

[Commander Clueless]

That is absolutely hilarious if that is what they mean!

Imagine bragging about the wins you got in a series you lost! If that's what he means, that is one of the funniest flexes I've ever seen here!

I hope you're right!

Hey now, three playoff wins a year x 8 (excruciating) years adds up! That's more than the 16 you need to win the cup.

And yet, do we get a title? A banner? No!

Explanation? Anti-Leaf bias. Has to be.






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[Strangle]

Effectively, logic doesn't seem to be your forte. You're mixing up team results in a 19 players per team game in a thread designed to make individual comparisons.

Interesting, so how many other maple leafs players would Stutzle and Tkachuk need to play with until they’re as good as Matthews and Marner?

 

[Byron Bitz]

That is absolutely hilarious if that is what they mean!

Imagine bragging about the wins you got in a series you lost! If that's what he means, that is one of the funniest flexes I've ever seen here!

I hope you're right!

It’s not bragging or flexing, I’ve been critical of their playoff performances. With the resources and assets they have they should have won a lot more…it’s more just pointing out the fact that they are not one of the worst playoff teams in the league like people in this thread are suggesting, if that were the case they would not be in the top half of the league in playoff games won. Again, not bragging, they should have won more but they are still better than all the teams that win less.

 

[Commander Clueless]

It’s not bragging or flexing, I’ve been critical of their playoff performances. With the resources and assets they have they should have won a lot more…it’s more just pointing out the fact that they are not one of the worst playoff teams in the league like people in this thread are suggesting, if that were the case they would not be in the top half of the league in playoff games won. Again, not bragging, they should have won more but they are still better than all the teams that win less.

Problem is the playoff format is measured in series wins. Game totals are pretty irrelevant when they amount to one series win in 8 attempts.

The title of "worst" can easily apply to the team that gets the most attempts and the most losses. Most of our "competitors" don't make the playoffs with the same regularity.

I'm a Leafs fan, but let's not sugarcoat our disappointment. They can't close out a series.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Problem is the playoff format is measured in series wins. Game totals are pretty irrelevant when they amount to one series win in 8 attempts.

The title of "worst" can easily apply to the team that gets the most attempts and the most losses. Most of our "competitors" don't make the playoffs with the same regularity.

I'm a Leafs fan, but let's not sugarcoat our disappointment. They can't close out a series.

I get that, that’s why teams like Vegas, Colorado, Florida, Boston, Dallas, Edmonton, Bostonare all better playoff teams than the Leafs but all the fans of all those other shit teams that don’t win as many playoff games or series than the Leafs like Ottawa, Buffalo, Detroit ect need to accept the fact that the Leafs have outperformed them in the playoffs. The worst playoff performers are the ones that don’t even make the playoffs

 

[Korpse]

Marner in the playoffs drops from a 100 point player to an 80 point player (and he has outscored his opponents 20-11 on the ice in the playoffs over the last 3 years).

Brady Tkachuk IS an 80 point player.

Marner's apparently drops so significantly in the playoffs, and yet his production there is STILL equal to Tkachuk's.

Regardless of his individual statistics there is a big cloud over Marner when it comes to playoff performance and lack of results. We don't even have to argue whether the criticism of playoff performance is justified, it's there regardless of what we individually think. That playoff experience he has had has become a burden and not an asset, that was simply my point.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I wouldn't take Mitch for for League minimum. Scaredy-cat player.

And that’s why you’re not a GM

 

[Lt Dan]

Brady has the psycho gene and Marner is a gutless puke

 

[WhataKnight]

Really, really subjective, and largely influenced by team need.

I could see a team in a position like Washington wanting a guy like Marner to help Ovi’s push just like I could see the Knights contemplating what Tkachuk would look like next to Eichel, and accepting a case of whippets for Ivan Barbashev just to vacate his spot & cap hit.

 

[MCR74]

It's not much but at least one can help his team make the playoffs. The other one ? If they miss again what will be the excuse in the off season.

The excuse will likely be the same as the previous seasons.

 

[John Mandalorian]

What’s interesting with this Marner discussion is how his defense is always based on Matthews. What does Marner turning into a frightened school boy have to do with Matthews? And how can you say Marner is getting too much blame when people are constantly trying to absolve him of blame by doing this blame she’ll game? People treat him like he’s Matthews more innocent little brother when he’s been one of the highest paid players in the league. He can’t seriously stand on his own?

 

[Xspyrit]

Interesting, so how many other maple leafs players would Stutzle and Tkachuk need to play with until they’re as good as Matthews and Marner?

Are you trying to make it sound like hockey wasn't the ultimate team game?

You probably have no idea why the Sens missed the playoffs.

 

[Bileur]

He wasn't, it was Matthews. They had a play set up for the struggling PP and Nylander didn't follow the script so Matthews let him know about it.
Matthews wasn't born a pro, of course he played minor hockey, just not CHL.

It's ok if you don't believe it.

Why would Matthews and Nylander be arguing when they were the two carrying the Leafs. Nylander, especially was very good. Marner was the one of the three who greatly struggled.
Marner was the target of Matthews and Nylander’s comments there. Not too sure what you're basing your opinion on?

Interestingly Nylander telling Marner to stop crying actually made it into the NHL’s official ad for its new Faceoff series.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838292437581574253

 

[jbeck5]

Are you trying to make it sound like hockey wasn't the ultimate team game?

You probably have no idea why the Sens missed the playoffs.

It's just a lazy argument from someone who doesn't know how to distinguish team play from individual play. That or trolling. I wouldn't look too far into it.

 

[ACC1224]

Interestingly Nylander telling Marner to stop crying actually made it into the NHL’s official ad for its new Faceoff series.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838292437581574253

Never happened and certainly not shown in that clip you just posted. Watch it again and be honest.

 

[NyQuil]

Never happened and certainly not shown in that clip you just posted. Watch it again and be honest.

“Stop crying bro” is at 1:02 of the video clip.

I’m sure there are all kinds of theories of why he said it and to whom.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

The honest Tkachuk.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Shall we bump the Stutzle vs Matthews poll from last year to show how meaningless this is?

We can't that poll got locked as soon as Matthews started gaining ground.

Gee I wonder why

 

[Senscore]

We can't that poll got locked as soon as Matthews started gaining ground.

Gee I wonder why

Most oppressed fanbase

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It never was that... why people's brain can't understand simple things anymore?

and lol at "team accomplishments". Think about how Pat Maroon single handedly crush both Leafs players



I mean, don't project your own limitations on others

Matthews + Marner vs Stutzle + Tkachuk WITHOUT contracts : votes should be 100% Leafs

Matthews + Marner vs Stutzle + Tkachuk WITH contracts : votes should be 100% Sens

BOTH these polls were TAKING CONTRACTS IN CONSIDERATION. It's not that hard to understand lol. Funny thing is in the real world, Toronto would make that trade in a heart beat

Stutzle 22 y/o at 8.35 AAV for 7 years + Tkachuk 24 y/o at 8.2 AAV for 4 years

vs

Matthews 27 y/o at 13.25 AAV for 4 years + Marner 27 y/o at 10.9 AAV for 1 year (then UFA)

Oh and by the way, Stutzle 20 + 21 y/o seasons : 160 pts, Matthews at that age : 136 pts (his 21 + 22 y/o seasons : 153 pts)

There is no shot the Leafs make that trade because there is no shot the Leafs would ever trade Matthews for Stutzle.

Matthews had 1 fewer goal than Stutzle had TOTAL POINTS last year.

In fact let's take it a step further.

Matthews had 69 goals last year Tim Stutzle has 91 for his ENTIRE CAREER.

That means That Auston Matthews scored just under 76% of Tim Stutzle total career goals in ONE season.

No there is no shot they make the above trade.

 

[Bileur]

“Stop crying bro” is at 1:02 of the video clip.

I’m sure there are all kinds of theories of why he said it and to whom.

I thought it was pretty safe to guess he was talking to the guy he was looking at who happened to be actively whining but I guess to each his own.