Mitch Marner Vs Brady Tkachuk for the future

[Fatass]

I thought it was pretty safe to guess he was talking to the guy he was looking at who was actively whining but I guess to each his own.

If I remember correctly the exact words were, “stop crying this isn’t junior” Then Marner got all upset and threw his gloves.

 

[newfy]

Say what you want about how soft Marner gets come playoff time, but hes clearly better than Tkachuk. Hes better defensively and has played over a 100 point pace over the last 4 seasons and is being compared to a guy who had 74 points last year.

A team like the Leafs might prefer Tkachuk, but thats only because they need a drastic shake up after years of playoff disappointment and they have all kinds of offence already. 90% of gms would take Marner, because he is the betterv player.

 

[Golden_Jet]

90% of gms would take Marner, because he is the betterv player.

purely speculation on your part, I would say that is wrong, but also speculation.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Suprised mitch is losing here , he's the better player , boy is he about to put up a monster season and get paid too , I love it

 

[rielledup]

Tkachuk isn't lacking in the puck skills department, and definitely has the better shot over Marner. Tkachuk should hit 40 goals this year.

Tkachuk is actually a very underrated passer and is typically the guy setting up his teammates on his line with Stutzle and Giroux. Sure, Tkachuk might not have the "dipsy-doodles" that Marner demonstrates, but I find those are more flash than actual results with Marner, and he routinely flubs them when it comes to actually burying the puck. Tkachuk isn't lacking in the ability to deke someone out of their joke strap either mind you.

Marner plays an extra two minutes per game over Tkachuk, which definitely helps with Marner's point totals. All the while too Marner has been playing on a (much) stronger team over the course of their respective careers, so I'm not putting that much weight into the discrepancy between their point totals, at least, over the last couple of years.

Is Marner more creative? Sure, but I don't know how much it actually benefits his effectiveness. It sure feels like he is a little TOO creative out there half the time, and that it impacts his chemistry with his linemates.

Brady had 74 points this year, Marner was on pace for 100. Marner had 69 points in his second year in the league on a crappy team playing with Kadri and jvr. Marner is clearly significantly better offensively and has much better vision and creativity than Brady, that should be obvious to anyone who's watched them both.

That being said, as a Leafs fan I would definitely trade Marner for Brady.

 

[SensontheRush]

Brady had 74 points this year, Marner was on pace for 100. Marner had 69 points in his second year in the league on a crappy team playing with Kadri and jvr. Marner is clearly significantly better offensively and has much better vision and creativity than Brady, that should be obvious to anyone who's watched them both.

That being said, as a Leafs fan I would definitely trade Marner for Brady.

If the Sens gameplan was "get the puck to Brady", he'd put up a ton more points. Even Matthews is the one following the puck behind the net and fighting board battles to get Marner the puck. It's insanity.

Good for Marner that he is better offensively (I disagree, because his muffin of a shot limits his offensive effectiveness to mostly setting up other players) and has better vision and creativity (I agree with this), but the sheer fact that he has to be propped up by his entire team to be effective makes him a worse player.

 

[umma gumma]

If the Sens gameplan was "get the puck to Brady", he'd put up a ton more points. Even Matthews is the one following the puck behind the net and fighting board battles to get Marner the puck. It's insanity.

Good for Marner that he is better offensively (I disagree, because his muffin of a shot limits his offensive effectiveness to mostly setting up other players) and has better vision and creativity (I agree with this), but the sheer fact that he has to be propped up by his entire team to be effective makes him a much worse player.

Much worse? That's a little much.

 

[Fatass]

Marner is a key player in the Leafs being a perennial playoff club and Cup contender. He’s a 100 point Selke level guy.
Brady Tkatchuk is a good player but he’s not accomplished what Marner has when it comes to winning.
Imo if these two players swapped clubs the Sens would be better and the Leafs would be worse.

 

[SensontheRush]

Much worse? That's a little much.

I edited my post

However, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Marner took a major step back on his future team if the Leafs decide to walk away from him.

 

[Xspyrit]

There is no shot the Leafs make that trade because there is no shot the Leafs would ever trade Matthews for Stutzle.

Matthews had 1 fewer goal than Stutzle had TOTAL POINTS last year.

In fact let's take it a step further.

Matthews had 69 goals last year Tim Stutzle has 91 for his ENTIRE CAREER.

That means That Auston Matthews scored just under 76% of Tim Stutzle total career goals in ONE season.

No there is no shot they make the above trade.

Maybe I wasn't clear but I was talking about they would trade Marner for Tkachuk without even thinking.

and lol at the goals comparison. Matthews is the best goal scorer of his generation, Stutzle is a playmaker who was injured and couldn't even shoot last season where he started it as a 21 y//o... Of course his "ENTIRE CAREER" isn't much so far

At that age, Matthews had 111 goals, which is 20 more goals than Stutzle so far in his "ENTIRE CAREER"

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Hear say. None of us know what that was about. But Matthews and Marner have both been Selke finalists, they play a mature game. Also kind of funny they get mad about losing on the bench get mad fun of, sit there emotionless and get made fun of

Mic’d-up spat reveals Maple Leafs’ Nylander’s intensity in ‘Faceoff’ series – Sportsnet.ca

lol

 

[HockeyVirus]

Mic’d-up spat reveals Maple Leafs’ Nylander’s intensity in ‘Faceoff’ series – Sportsnet.ca

lol

Them at each other because a set play didn't execute in a must win game still does not portray your interpretation. I want my players showing intensity.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Them at each other because a set play didn't execute in a must win game still does not portray your interpretation. I want my players showing intensity.

My interpretation was that they had to be told to “stop crying” which is literally true but either way I agree with you about intensity

 

[Matty Sundin]

Marner gets a lot of shit due to the team he plays for and also the fanbase of that team and maybe some of the criticism is deserved but he’s still the better player. Tkachuk has never been considered better than Marner.

As for the future, I still gotta go with Mitch. Sure his style is where the criticism comes from but it’s not like he’s a one dimensional player with defence liabilities. I’d make huge bets he’s gonna age nicely as he gets older while still being productive. He has great hockey IQ and that’s one of the few perks that gets better as you age. I feel like Mitch won’t be fully appreciated until he changes teams.

Brady is a great talent and I get why his style can be admired more but it’s also the kinda style that can wear you down a lot quicker as you age.

 

[Fatass]

Brady T no playoffs. Marner always leads his club to the playoffs. Is this actually hard to decide with player if preferred?

 

[zenator]

I think the reason Tkachuk is favoured here is that Marner is soft, has poor playoff stats, and has been especially awful in games 5,6,7 of playoff series where he becomes invisible.

Tkachuk has never played in the playoffs, but it is assumed he will be a warrior because of his play style and attitude, which is similar to that of his brother who is a proven playoff warrior.

Marner is certainly the better overall offensive player, but the game becomes harder and less free-wheeling in the playoffs, where a player like Tkachuk thrives, and Marner-types disappear.

 

[TheFinalWord]

Yet he's crushing marner in the poll. Maybe you need to try and be objective.


So does Brady in Ottawa. There aren't many teams that wouldn't want Tkachuk he's unique. Small skill forwards who wither in the playoffs are a dime a dozen. Marner is the best of this category but its the easiest asset to aquire.

Such a clueless take. So easy to acquire Marner-type players. What a joke. It is a nuanced question when contracts are included, and you can argue Tkachuk is the player that you would take...but your view of it is awful.

 

[King 88]

Marner 100%. Looking at poll result strated thinking if I messed up the brothers but nope

 

[Cup or Bust]

I would take Brady Tkachuk. Too much size, talent, grit, and goal scoring ability in that package to turn it down.

 

[TheFinalWord]

I would take Brady Tkachuk. Too much size, talent, grit, and goal scoring ability in that package to turn it down.

Tkachuk has some unique skills, but his career high in goals is 37 in 81 games. Marner was 35 in 72 games. Last year was on pace for 31 again (only 69 games). Size and grit are what Tkachuk has in spades. I don't think he's worth more than Marner at this point, but I'm not blind to the argument for Tkachuk.

 

[bert]

Such a clueless take. So easy to acquire Marner-type players. What a joke. It is a nuanced question when contracts are included, and you can argue Tkachuk is the player that you would take...but your view of it is awful.

Undersized skill wingers who arent physical is the most common entity in hockey. He's among the best but they carry the least amount of value of any position.

 

[norrisnick]

Undersized skill wingers who arent physical is the most common entity in hockey. He's among the best but they carry the least amount of value of any position.

Powerforwards carry a lot of value but if they aren't smart they sometimes hurt more than they help so shouldn't have the value they have. It's the false belief of "we'll only get the good" and they forget about the bad.

 

[Score08]

Who’s the agent?

 

[MacMacandBarbie]

Suprised mitch is losing here , he's the better player , boy is he about to put up a monster season and get paid too , I love it

They seem like similar level contribution type players, that go about it in completely different ways. Mitch piles up the apples as well as anybody to ever do it to be honest, he can dish it with the best and his output is obvious. Brady is the sexy pick right now, his output usually doesn't show up as clearly on the stat sheet, so people like being able to say that they are able to tell that Brady is a high level contributor because they have a keen hockey eye. Its really some elitist hipster shit that has infested its way on these boards, and its a problem.

 

[Samsquanch]

GIANT sized LOL to Marner when we all know the truth without Brady having played a game yet in playoffs.

Give me a beak if you are going to war and you choose robin over Batman.