Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Punch Drunk Loov]

He probably just learned about the sport and realized he didn’t have a clue. Typical southern market fan.

The softest, smallest team in the playoffs should look to add more of their own ilk. Can't blame him for recognizing his own type

 

[Egghead1999]

Ah yes, the day Marner becomes a top player in the league and worth every penny (according to the main board).

He is one of the top players in the league right now, just that he cannot be your leader; he is unwilling to move beyond his comfort zone when the moment calls for it. Don't kid yourself, he figures "how to win" out already.

 

[kevsh]

The Leafs decision to move on and apparently Mitchys decision to move on is clear. What also is clear that the spoiled petulant man boy that fans thought was real, Mitchy proved was correct.
I don't Like you no more, I am going to take my wife, baby, dog and my charity and leave. Nah nah nah nah. I may even leave Muskoka...take that...

How will Muskoka ever recover?
Especially if JT walks too.

 

[MCR74]

He is one of the top players in the league right now, just that he cannot be your leader; he is unwilling to move beyond his comfort zone when the moment calls for it. Don't kid yourself, he figures "how to win" out already.

If "how to win" means bleeding a team dry, sure.

 

[ACC1224]

The real fantasy is Marner being part of the solution to a cup here in Toronto

As the team stands, none of them are parts of the solution.
He could be with the right mix though, just like he could be on any number of teams around the league.
Canada won the 4 Nations with him being part of the solution.

It's too simplistic a view just to point to one thing.

 

[OpenNetSniper]

Marner gives off serious bullied-in-elementary-school, now-rich-and-petty" energy. He probably spent his childhood getting dunked on and now he’s rich, famous, and looks like he’s still quietly plotting revenge on everyone who pressed him.

It's too bad...such a skilled talented player, but just can't bring it when it matters most.

 

[MCR74]

Marner gives off serious bullied-in-elementary-school, now-rich-and-petty" energy. He probably spent his childhood getting dunked on and now he’s rich, famous, and looks like he’s still quietly plotting revenge on everyone who pressed him.

It's too bad...such a skilled talented player, but just can't bring it when it matters most.

And turns into a bitch when things go bad.

 

[Dekes For Days]

When someone is upset by literally everything, aka way they were treated in 2016, which was roughly $70 million in earnings ago, or by the coach who was fired 6 years, or hard done by the organization whose entire leadership has basically been fired for standing by you, or you hate the fans because they look at you like gods but technically don’t treat you like one, or because of social media even though you’re not on it, and you’re outwardly emoting that you’re jealous of your friend for the captaincy over what amounts to status chasing…

You know what that all amounts to? A tantrum. If he wanted to change his situation he could have left ages ago like an adult making a real life choice. I think a lot of us would have preferred it. He could have also left quietly and moved on with his life. But no, he’s gotta make his case about how hard done he is by literally everyone after he’s paid up in full and failed to deliver once again.

And you know what, poor you for having to even try to get this kind of story straight. The yarns that have been spun, the sciences you have had to invent to justify not only his upcoming contract but the last one. Pretty much every upper echelon forward in the league has been dragged through the mud by you to even normalize Marner’s pay day.

I haven't dragged anybody through the mud. You've just dragged Marner through the mud so much that you've lost sight of how he actually compares to the rest of the league. I also haven't invented or spun anything. You just refuse to accept how NHL contracts work. Nobody has been fired for standing by Marner, and the only people "upset by literally everything" and throwing "tantrums" are people on this board. 6 years of irrational anger over a fair contract and top tier performance, with every quote, decision, action, mistake, breath, etc. getting picked apart, misrepresented, and complained about.

You can try to misrepresent and dismiss the things that Marner has had to put up with throughout his career all you want, but it doesn't change that he has a number of legitimate grievances, and all he's done is gone out there and done his job without complaint. Marner didn't want to leave Toronto. Treliving and people like you have screwed that up, and now after years of delivering top tier performance, he is just leaving quietly and moving on with his life. It's fans and the media that can't stop talking about him, as usual.

 

[Trapper]

As the team stands, none of them are parts of the solution.
He could be with the right mix though, just like he could be on any number of teams around the league.
Canada won the 4 Nations with him being part of the solution.

It's too simplistic a view just to point to one thing.

This is what some of us have been saying for years.
As individuals, they are all talented and would fit into a well structured core that has the ability to adapt and play to different styles.
All of them together on one team doesn’t work postseason as they all lack a certain edge needed. We’ve seen the results over a large sample size.
It could have been altered years ago but management couldn’t see beyond doing the same thing. Now it’s coming down to an ugly divorce. But make no mistake, even with Marner walking (if he does) we are still left with the same issues. Matthews and Nylander belong as pieces on another team, not the focal points leading one.

 

[ULF_55]

As the team stands, none of them are parts of the solution.
He could be with the right mix though, just like he could be on any number of teams around the league.
Canada won the 4 Nations with him being part of the solution.

It's too simplistic a view just to point to one thing.

Every player on every Cup winner fits that description.

The Leafs have had good years the last several years, just not winning the Cup years.

Can marner go to a team and help them win a Cup?
Kessel did.

The worst player on the Panthers just won the Cup.

 

[IPS]

As the team stands, none of them are parts of the solution.
He could be with the right mix though, just like he could be on any number of teams around the league.
Canada won the 4 Nations with him being part of the solution.

It's too simplistic a view just to point to one thing.

Brilliant idea!

All we have to do his find and surround Marner with McDavid/Mackinnon/Makar/Reinhart/Crosby and we're well on our way to getting that solution in action!

Try reading before you post, but I guess you're hell bent on becoming the laughing stock of this board so I won't stop you.

 

[thewave]

I still think his agent and dad guided Mitch to this s****y situation; he was malleable, young, and naive - as most of us are at 18 years old. They convinced Mitch that the most mercenary screw-the-team approach is the way to go, and when they saw Dubas was a piss poor negotiator, unable to win MLSE anything at all, well that sealed the deal.

Unfortunately for Mitch, when it came time for him to fulfill his side of the bargain - i.e. deliver like you were paid too - well, the agent and dad hadn't educated him about that part. And we fans reacted appropriately.

Wouldn't be shocked to read about it one day. It's usually the case unfortunately.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I cannot wait for July 1 to come soon enough.

12 more sleeps

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Can marner go to a team and help them win a Cup?
Kessel did.

Kessel's game translated into the playoffs.
He was MAD fast and had one of the best shots in the league, lets call that Nylander like.

Marner is neither.

 

[MCR74]

Wouldn't be shocked to read about it one day. It's usually the case unfortunately.

Same. Mitch likes throwing others under the bus.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Treliving and people like you have screwed that up, and now after years of delivering top tier performance, he is just leaving quietly and moving on with his life. It's fans and the media that can't stop talking about him, as usual.

Had he actually delivered top tier performances, no one would be having this conversation. There wouldn't so much outside noise

 

[ULF_55]

Kessel's game translated into the playoffs.
He was MAD fast and had one of the best shots in the league, lets call that Nylander like.

Marner is neither.

marner can help regular season and playoffs.

It is up to the team to use him properly, and perhaps that is isolating him on a lower line against softer defense?

Of course, at $14mm you would expect he would be tasked with beating the best defense on the opposition. That isn't a marner issue though, that would be a coach/GM issue.

Player is in it for himself, it is up to his bosses to do the correct thing.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Had he actually delivered top tier performances, no one would be having this conversation. There wouldn't so much outside noise

He did deliver top tier performances, and there's still noise, and we're still having this conversation.

 

[MCR74]

marner can help regular season and playoffs.

It is up to the team to use him properly, and perhaps that is isolating him on a lower line against softer defense?

Of course, at $14mm you would expect he would be tasked with beating the best defense on the opposition. That isn't a marner issue though, that would be a coach/GM issue.

Player is in it for himself, it is up to his bosses to do the correct thing.

The next team will soon realize that once regular season pay periods run out, so does Marner.

 

[Caesium]

The next team will soon realize that once regular season pay periods run out, so does Marner.

Still has the highest P/GP on the Leafs in the playoffs. Every single Leaf player is incapable of elevating in the playoffs, so why isn't this team stripping it to the studs and rebuilding?

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

He did deliver top tier performances, and there's still noise, and we're still having this conversation.

In the playoffs? Not even close

 

[MCR74]

In the playoffs? Not even close

Exactly. We keep hearing this. Did everyone watch the same playoffs?

 

[Aashir]

He did deliver top tier performances, and there's still noise, and we're still having this conversation.

Ah yes the 5 in 7 he had against florida was top tier

Not to mention the 3 in 7 last year vs Boston was the play of legends

And how can we forget about the 3 in 5 vs florida the time before..that was dynamite from 16

It would be a shame to not bring up his 4 in 7 against Montreal, that type of performance will be remembered for decades

I’ll toss in a 4 in 5 vs Columbus too, because I’m feeling extra picky

And we can’t end off without talking about his 4 in 7 vs Boston back in 2019, that’s where this all started!

Now it’s time for you to use “pp time/60 vs vezina goaltending that puts up >.930 in games on the road played at 7:45pm puck drops” as you thinking that’s proof that Marner wasn’t bad in any of them.

 

[notDatsyuk]

How is being the 4th highest paid, leading the Team in scoring by 20 points while playing in all situations not delivering?

4th highest paid by 100K.

5th in goals (both ES and overall) while being second (by 4 seconds) in ice time per game and second (by 5 seconds) is ES ice time per game by forwards.

"All situations" doesn’t seem to include playoffs, which seems to be the place where most posters say he's not delivering.

 

[Dreakmur]

As the team stands, none of them are parts of the solution.
He could be with the right mix though, just like he could be on any number of teams around the league.
Canada won the 4 Nations with him being part of the solution.

It's too simplistic a view just to point to one thing.

This. 100%.

The players didn't suck - the mix here was just wrong.