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Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

Darren Dreger was reporting Marner might drag out the process till mid July and take his sweet time. So I think this is a player who is basically coming out of a long relationship and wants to feel wooed. Hopefully the Leafs just mind their own business and keep a wide berth from this.
I would honestly be surprised if that happened - the only scenario where I see this happening is if Marner has a specific location already in place (Vegas, etc), a deal is done, and he's just waiting for that team to clear cap space etc.

There shouldn't exist any scenario where the Leafs twiddle their thumbs into July waiting for a Marner decision, potentially losing out on some of the targets they are after.
 
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I remember back when the Leafs were courting Tavares to TO as a UFA that they put on a big PowerPoint presentation (a digital slideshow format, commonly used for visual communication and presentations) and even included Marner (as a prop) in that selling him as JT future winger in their recruitment process.

Sounds like Marner wants teams to court him now similarly. Explaining not only his $$ financial reward, but his fit on the team, his expected role and even get an all expenses paid guided tour of their city to sway his selection.

Well within his right to want to be wined and dined like the mercenary he’s always wanted to be.
 
I would honestly be surprised if that happened - the only scenario where I see this happening is if Marner has a specific location already in place (Vegas, etc), a deal is done, and he's just waiting for that team to clear cap space etc.

There shouldn't exist any scenario where the Leafs twiddle their thumbs into July waiting for a Marner decision, potentially losing out on some of the targets they are after.

Oh there’s no waiting. The decision to have him back should have been made already and I’m hoping that was a “move on.”
 
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Had Matthews and Marner been paid properly the last round (the RFA round), I would have no problem paying:
Matthews: 13.5
Marner: 12.5
Nylander: 11.5
But Matthews/Marner went from RFA to the Tavares contract signed as a 9 year UFA.

Matthews should have made the Eichel contract, around 10/10.5, Marner 8, Nylander 7. That would have been a 5 mil saving, allowing us to keep Marleau and not trade a 1st and re-sign Hyman at the 5 range.

Those RFA contracts killed the structure, then the players themselves made the salaries paid (and themselves) unlikable.
You are absolutely 100% correct
 
This franchise just has a victim complex or something. They hear this narrative about how hard it is to play here so they have completrly over corrected and coddled their players as much as they can trying to defeat this narrative. They give their players the world and anything they ask for. It's pathetic and needs to stop. Have some respect. Stop letting players continuously clown you and make some cut throat decisions when expectations are not being made. If any player let it be known that the pressure is to much or getting to them then move on from them.
It is absolutely not a hard place to play. The fans in the building are pathetic. The media asks the easiest useless questions..."what was the difference in this game? " "what have you learned about so and so since you've been here?" blah blah. Sure there are more of them but they are dumb and never ask hard questions. No one ever gets benched. No one gets taken off the PP or sent to the 4th line. Aside from game 7, no one gets booed. They get literally everything they want, and there isn't even pressure to win a cup, just win a few rounds. And still they constantly fail. If they are actually meeting with Marner on July 1st that is absolutely pathetic. Let this loser walk, he accomplished absolutely nothing here, and will accomplish absolutely nothing with his next team.
 
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Hopefully everyone commits their cap elsewhere, and Marner is busy playing Musical chairs on his own, without a chair left to sit on.
GMs like to get buisness done early so I could really see that happening. GMs also aren't going to view jumping thru hoops for a player like this as a positive for that players character either
 
Darren Dreger was reporting Marner might drag out the process till mid July and take his sweet time. So I think this is a player who is basically coming out of a long relationship and wants to feel wooed. Hopefully the Leafs just mind their own business and keep a wide berth from this.

IMO, Leafs won't be signing him middle of July, unless he signs for $2mm or so. Their Cap space will be gone very quickly.


Now a team like Vegas could trade Hertl to one of the 3 teams on his list, or Karlsson to one of 21 teams not on his list, and make space.

Islanders could be an option.
Bottom feeders like Sharks or Ducks ...
 
Well within his right to want to be wined and dined like the mercenary he’s always wanted to be.
Safe to say such an elaborate presentation is not coming from the Leafs this time. :wg:

Reports are circulating the Leafs will be given once last chance with a phone call from the Marner camp during the recruiting process to bring him back.

Treliving should look at his call display, and simply let the phone ring unanswered.
 
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After the draft teams can talk with upcoming free agents.

I've read they can't talk numbers, but also read they can talk contracts.

Nothing can be signed, until free agency signing period starts.

With how quickly contracts are signed and reported, my guess everything except signing is one in many cases.

2 weeks ...
Some that I've spoken to on the player representative side of the game, have told me that it's the league's open secret that the draft combine is the unofficial start of the courting process between teams and players.

Said it was rampant in Buffalo a few weeks ago - especially with the smaller agents.

It's very cryptic, but it happens so openly and everyone knows about it.
 
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So the fact that Marner is offering the Leafs a final meeting AFTER he meets with all the other suitors shows that it is all about the money.
Mercenary Marner at his best. That’s why Leafs nation is going to hate that punk until the end of time.
He can’t be out of here fast enough
 
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Some that I've spoken to on the player representative side of the game, have told me that it's the league's open secret that the draft combine is the unofficial start of the courting process between teams and players.

Said it was rampant in Buffalo a few weeks ago - especially with the smaller agents.

It's very cryptic, but it happens so openly and everyone knows about it.
"Hey I need an overpaid right shot forward who's softer than baby shit and wears #16, know what someone like that would cost?" type conversations
 
Thanks, but no thanks... the last thing I want this org to do, is to be held hostage by a guy who won't make his decision until July 15th, and we miss out on other opportunities.
Yup they need to tell him to F off right now and move on
 
Apparently he cancelled his charity event?

Don’t most athletes with similar events simply maintain them even when moving on from the events permanent location?
 
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"Hey I need an overpaid right shot forward who's softer than baby shit and wears #16, know what someone like that would cost?" type conversations
Player X and Player Y didn't seem like really good fits with Eichel - would there be any interest in upgrading on his wingers? And what sort of budget would be earmarked for a potential free agency addition?

You've been big game hunting for a while, and it hasn't really worked with Guentzel and Rantanen. Are you still assuming the same approach to your roster building, and are you looking for a long-term addition here?


etc.
 
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Player X and Player Y didn't seem like really good fits with Eichel - would there be any interest in upgrading on his wingers? And what sort of budget would be earmarked for a potential free agency addition?

etc.
Yea I figured it'd be along those lines, I was being a smartass
 
Apparently he cancelled his charity event?

Don’t most athletes with similar events simply maintain them even when moving on from the events permanent location?

Yes they do. Just like Subban who probably still does his MTL thing. This is a tax thing for Mitch, we all know it.
 
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Hopefully everyone commits their cap elsewhere, and Marner is busy playing Musical chairs on his own, without a chair left to sit on.

Exactly. Some team might have the cap room later this summer, but don't expect it to be a contender.
 
Agreed - but sounds like the Leafs were still trying to engage as recently as a few days ago, which annoys me.
That is apparently related to a potential sign and trade opportunity.

That offers the 8th year and a potential return even if its just a draft pick.

While there has been some buzz regarding the Vegas Golden Knights coveting Marner, including some reported previous trade talks, In fact, a sign-and-trade between the Maple Leafs and the Golden Knights could be the best path forward for both parties. And Eichel would make an awful lot of sense as the trade piece going the other way.

From the Maple Leafs’ perspective, Marner’s departure would ultimately yield a 94-point player who, at 28 years of age, is just a few months older. And while it took Eichel some time to finally make his mark in the postseason, he has certainly done so with 43 points in 40 career games, including a second-place finish in Conn Smythe voting as part of Vegas’ 2023 Stanley Cup triumph.
 
(Apologies in advance for the length of this post)

I've been thinking recently about the inevitable, upcoming PR spin from both the Leafs and the Marner camp once he departs (assuming he does). I actually expect both sides to underplay things, but I can also see how things might get fairly ugly.

Treliving's MO up to now has been to stick to the usual cliches, provide platitudes about Marner and keep things business-like, even during the Rantanen waive-request saga. He may decide to continue to take a relatively tight-lipped approach and just say he believes that stuff that was behind-the-scenes should remain that way even after the player departs. However, I think it's also possible that he will feel (or be told by Pelley) he has to explain the organisation's side of things, with some degree of detail, to the fanbase, who are concerned about how we got to the point of Marner walking. (On a side note, Shanahan did something similar in his detailed breakdown of why he decided to fire Dubas, so there's precedent within the organisation to not always be so tight-lipped. There was PR on both sides of that, but I actually wasn't surprised at all when Dubas' statement was quite bland and didn't provide a contradictory, first-hand rebuttal of Shanahan's account. There are always a million details we never hear about and I've long suspected the near-silence on this was part of obscuring the details of Dubas' move to Pittsburgh, which caught exactly nobody by surprise given there were rumours for weeks that he was trying to engineer precisely the move that he ended up making.) So, Treliving may well come out with the Leafs' version of events, but I don't expect him to initiate a PR battle of words and I think it's similarly unlikely that we'll see him airing grievances or using any of the ammo he's bound to have compiled through dealings with Ferris, conversations with Mitch or other trade proposals etc. Unless, of course, his hand is forced by the Marner camp.

Similarly, I'm also not convinced that Mitch actually will want to air his gripes publicly and think another banal statement is the most we will get. The frequent, recent reports from likely Marner proxies in the media (and amplified many times over here) regarding his hurt feelings about his allegedly terrible treatment by the team and his supposed persecution by the fanbase/media, suggest Mitch doesn't have the personal qualities needed to express his complaints in his own words. From a PR point of view, though, I'm not sure what the upside would be for continuing that after he leaves, anyway, particularly given the fact he's been paid upwards of $70 million US (minus endorsements) and he's the one that ultimately has decided to leave. I think he'll probably want to maintain or re-establish a bit of dignity on the way out in the hope that his image can be rehabilitated at some point. Whether it's right or not, there's a chance his initial homecoming will not be a very warm one and he can look right at Tavares' experience in Long Island as an example of what may be in store for him, in the short term at least.

But, I also think that his next contract will greatly inform the PR spin his camp chooses to roll out and therefore the Leafs' own spin in response. Perhaps those mega-offers teams are supposedly lining up to give him don't transpire quite as expected (which I think is possible, if you look at the list of teams with cap space to fit in what he's likely to be asking for) so he may feel the need to compensate for that through some PR (ed.: arguably, this has already started; see Postscript below). I could see how that could prompt some revealing rebuttals from the Leafs. Then again, some prominent voices in the media (and a small number here, too) are looking at this in a less emotive way by simply saying: it's time for you to go, so thanks for the memories, best of luck but the team needs something different. I get the sense there's a chunk of of the fanbase who will just be glad to see the back of him in their long-standing hope for a culture shift away from playoff softness, who will welcome the freed-up cap space and who could care less about any PR games.

This is all just speculation and opinion, of course. We'll only ever hear a fraction of the behind-closed-doors info on this chain of events. I doubt we'll get the dirty laundry/Festivus moment some might hope for. This is my point: there's a million details that we're not privy to that inform the choices these execs, players and agents make. There are posters here that like to present themselves as knowing more than others about the inner workings of the teams and players but as far as I can tell nobody here has any insider access...unfortunately for those of us keen to find out what is actually happening behind the scenes in Leafland.

Postscript: I've just seen the new reports about the supposed 'Marner sweepstakes' perhaps lasting until mid-July. I'm not surprised this is what's being put out there given the apparent options (or lack of them?) that seem to be shaping up for Marner. But, while I expect to see more of the same coming out of the Marner camp over the next couple of weeks, I'm mostly posting about the PR spin in the aftermath, for what it's worth.

Thanks for reading and thanks in advance for any responses.
 
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Some that I've spoken to on the player representative side of the game, have told me that it's the league's open secret that the draft combine is the unofficial start of the courting process between teams and players.

Said it was rampant in Buffalo a few weeks ago - especially with the smaller agents.

It's very cryptic, but it happens so openly and everyone knows about it.

Speaking of which, Buffalo might be a good destination for Mitch. He could collect his millions and not have to worry about playoff pressure.
 
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