Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Nineteen67]

With all respect, you're simply not taking this Marner defense serious enough.

That is why I believe Marner needs to sign in Anaheim so that his young infant son can live his first 4 years going to Disneyland down the road.

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Then when Marner tries to milk his new team in 4 years with a new contract, we have to factor in the horror of the impact of tearing his young son from Disneyland and uprooting a 4 year old from Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck and of course the Country Bear Jamboree.

Even Marner wouldn't be that cruel to his own family just to chase top dollar.

Unfortunately Disneyland closed the Country Bears Jamboree and turned that area into a New Orleans bayouland. Although it’s OK it won’t be difficult to move the child away from it.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

How he left Toronto compared to how Tkachuk left Calgary reveals a lot about each player. Tkachuk was raised to think of team first and was respectful enough to tell the Flames he wouldn’t re-sign, Marner seems to be more about himself

A team with brains would have traded him before the NMC kicked in.

Dubas didn’t. And Shanny prevented Tre from doing it.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Happy men’s health month everyone.

It’s November already ?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

who, is the common denominator in this? That’s right, it’s Shanahan.

He essentially busted on all major decisions.

Sad .org

 

[Nineteen67]

A team with brains would have traded him before the NMC kicked in.

Dubas didn’t. And Shanny prevented Tre from doing it.

Sure, because they knew his personality and should have known they end up right where they are.
Treliving was forced to give him an another audition and, as expected, he failed, and had his worse playoff performance with the Leafs.

JD Bunkins said it best yesterday. After 9 years his playoff moment is a blocked shot in his second year.

 

[Tak7]

Oh no David Perron and Matt Roy. Tanev signed here. OEL signed here.

It’s not for everyone. Some guys want to collect a paycheck and disappear into the background. Toronto is no more “poisonous” than any other major sports City.

Marner seems to be a little sensitive and not very bright. Toronto is obviously not for him, and that’s his right as a free agent to leave.

Point is - whether you agree with it or not, the idea that Toronto is a tough/toxic/difficult market is now out there, no doubt reinforced by the fact that a 100-point homegrown local talent is walking away without as much as a conversation with the organization.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

JD Bunkins said it best yesterday. After 9 years his playoff moment is a blocked shot in his second year.

Haha

Playoff hockey isn’t about Corsi. It’s a lot more physical than that. The Dubas method failed. Small fast skill guys don’t win playoff hockey. Marner is a small skilled medium fast guy.

 

[Tak7]

Not sure i believe Friedman at this point.

0 reason not to believe him, imo - unlike Kypreos, Dreger, and Pagnotta, Friedman at least isn't being spoonfed information from the Marner camp.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The Leafs are still trying to engage Marner's camp, per Friedman.

The Leafs haven't decided he is no longer part of the solution - Marner has decided it for them.

If they are "engaging" ... it's at the level of:
(1) 9AAV x8.
(2) Can we trade you bro ?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Brad's fault would be not trading him last offseason if his long term plan was to not resign him.

Tre was hired 5 weeks before the NMC kicked in.
Shanahan would have blocked any trade Marner deals.

 

[thewave]

Tre was hired 5 weeks before the NMC kicked in.
Shanahan would have blocked any trade Marner deals.

Yes it was reported in the media that Shanahan called everyone saying you're safe

 

[Trapper]

He essentially busted on all major decisions.

Sad .org

Shanahan was good on the PR, Marketing side of the house. Updated logo, selling jerseys, ceremonies, political interviews, etc.

He failed on the ice. Rookie GM, loyalty to individuals over team, buying in to 4 forwards/half cap, consistently ignoring the patterns and signs, replacing the GM too late just when the NMC were set to kick in and new contracts required. Shanabad.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Shanahan was good on the PR, Marketing side of the house. Updated logo, selling jerseys, ceremonies, political interviews, etc.

It's all about "Jersey sales"

He failed on the ice.

and MLSE was fine with it.

NHL hockey is more NHL than hockey.

 

[Confucius]

Point is - whether you agree with it or not, the idea that Toronto is a tough/toxic/difficult market is now out there, no doubt reinforced by the fact that a 100-point homegrown local talent is walking away without as much as a conversation with the organization.

We need

 

[Trapper]

We need
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Reminds me of Iron Maiden

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Marner would be the highest paid player on the Florida Panthers.

and is looking to make 4 AAV more than the highest player.

"He wont be going to Florida"

 

[MCR74]

It'll be nice to watch Marner do zilch in the playoffs with a different team. Whoever gives him $13M+ will get "fair value".

 

[HamiltonNHL]

It'll be nice to watch Marner do zilch in the playoffs with a different team. Whoever gives him $13M+ will get "fair value".

He can help a Bubble team get in.
He can sell some tickets as well for a team that doesn't have many fans.
He provides great value for a team if your goal is ticket sales in the regular season.

He won't bring your team the Stanley Cup. Or more specifically his 13AAV is a NET negative for you to win a cup.

Many Owners would welcome him on their team.

 

[Trapper]

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Marner would be the highest paid player on the Florida Panthers.

and is looking to make 4 AAV more than the highest player.

"He wont be going to Florida"

Marner is looking to become the highest paid player on every team.

 

[The Shadow]

Marner will be worth every penny to a team that has struggled to make the playoffs. Even 1 round of tickets and concessions they will make a killing. Also good for their fanbase

Marner’s issue has always been he is a non factor during games 5-7 of a series

I can’t see that changing especially if he’s counted on being the guy

He’s just too much of a perimeter player.

Even the 4 Nations tournament if you look at his two plays he scored the OT goal 3 on 3 where he usually thrives but is not part of a playoff game. Also his assist to McDavid on the winning goal he was again way out of the play and it was a great pass but we often rarely see that kind of defensive breakdowns in the playoffs against the good teams.

 

[notDatsyuk]

What if Marner was not willing to move off of his ask and the Leafs were not willing to move off of their offering. Isn’t that just a failed negotiation? It happens all the time in negotiations or are you implying that there should have been no negotiation and Treliving should have just given in to Marners demands?
If that is your criteria for Treliving failure then it should also apply to Marners failure to secure a deal

I think that's exactly what he's implying. After all, he still insists that Marner hasn't been overpaid the last 6 years, despite all the evidence.

I'm curious to know if he's just trolling, really believes that, or is just too firmly entrenched to admit he's wrong.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

It boggles my mind any fanchise would even consider bringing Marner on board.

Unlike the Leafs I assume most teams have pro scouts who are actually good at their jobs. Surely they must do their research. All any of them have to do is come on this site and they'd know enough to avoid him like the plague that he is.

There's nothing good to say about Mitch Marner.

I don't expect it'll be too long before he turns his new organization and their fans against him. Once he starts throwing teammates under the bus and undermining the coach it'll happen. Then he'll blame the media, fans, and pretty much everyone else but himself for his own shortcomings.

A lack of accountability is a common attribute of an entitled upbringing.

Typical rich kid attitude. I got mine don't worry about his. Some poor sucker is gonna commit career suicide signing him to fourteen million a year.

Don't say Leafs Nation didn't warn you.

 

[Fogelhund]

One other thing I'm hearing about Marner, there's the possibility again; there's still two weeks who knows where it will end up. There is a chance this is not a July 1 thing, but his choice is to set up Zoom or in person meetings on July 1 or thereafter.

I was told that's one of the possibilities, there's time, but that's not out of the question. - Elliotte Friedman

So Marner thinks that teams will put all of Free Agency on hold, just for the pleasure of being one of the teams who will bid on him?

 

[Fogelhund]

It boggles my mind any fanchise would even consider bringing Marner on board.

Unlike the Leafs I assume most teams have pro scouts who are actually good at their jobs. Surely they must do their research. All any of them have to do is come on this site and they'd know enough to avoid him like the plague that he is.

There's nothing good to say about Mitch Marner.

I don't expect it'll be too long before he turns his new organization and their fans against him. Once he starts throwing teammates under the bus and undermining the coach it'll happen. Then he'll blame the media, fans, and pretty much everyone else but himself for his own shortcomings.

A lack of accountability is a common attribute of an entitled upbringing.

Typical rich kid attitude. I got mine don't worry about his. Some poor sucker is gonna commit career suicide signing him to fourteen million a year.

Don't say Leafs Nation didn't warn you.

That's some peak derangement and projection on Marner right there. Marner is still a top forward in this league, one of the best talents out there... plenty of teams would like one of the most talented players in the league on their team. Hell, if Marner was on another team, half of our fanbase would be crawling all over each other to sign him.

There is no question his play drops in the playoffs, and that we need to make changes, but your take isn't based in reality... it's just weird.

 

[Gaberd2608]

It'll be nice to watch Marner do zilch in the playoffs with a different team. Whoever gives him $13M+ will get "fair value".

I dont think a playoff team can afford him without making their team worse depth wise.

Marner will be worth every penny to a team that has struggled to make the playoffs. Even 1 round of tickets and concessions they will make a killing. Also good for their fanbase

Marner’s issue has always been he is a non factor during games 5-7 of a series

I can’t see that changing especially if he’s counted on being the guy

He’s just too much of a perimeter player.

Even the 4 Nations tournament if you look at his two plays he scored the OT goal 3 on 3 where he usually thrives but is not part of a playoff game. Also his assist to McDavid on the winning goal he was again way out of the play and it was a great pass but we often rarely see that kind of defensive breakdowns in the playoffs against the good teams.

I am not sure Marner on Chicago, Anaheim, or San Jose is enough to get them into the playoffs.