Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[thewave]

Dubas could - and did, on occasion - use Shanahan as a sounding board on strategy, general direction and plans heading into the deadline and free agency.

But did Shanahan actually have a say in player transactions, no, he didn't. Why would he?

I can't get into specifics because of site rules, but I have every reason to believe that Shanahan was a big proponent of signing John Tavares, and he strongly urged the Maple Leafs to be aggressive in this regard, but Kyle Dubas was in full agreement.

As for Shanahan dictating trades or tying Kyle Dubas or Brad Treliving's hands when it came to making transactions I don't believe that for one second and frankly it would be idiotic for a team to have their team President involved in this manner.

Does your boss have a say in what you do at your place of work?

Yes he does.

It was like this... Bell / Rogers / Larry - Shanny - Dubass - Keefe.

Anoy of them could veto a GM move.

 

[mikeyz]

You said "Imagine anyone from the core 4 saying this?" , my response was to that.

And my point is they never said that and never will because they don’t care about winning.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Dubas could - and did, on occasion - use Shanahan as a sounding board on strategy, general direction and plans heading into the deadline and free agency.

But did Shanahan actually have a say in player transactions, no, he didn't. Why would he?

I can't get into specifics because of site rules, but I have every reason to believe that Shanahan was a big proponent of signing John Tavares, and he strongly urged the Maple Leafs to be aggressive in this regard, but Kyle Dubas was in full agreement.

As for Shanahan dictating trades or tying Kyle Dubas or Brad Treliving's hands when it came to making transactions I don't believe that for one second and frankly it would be idiotic for a team to have their team President involved in this manner.

Dubas being frustrated at having to go through channels above him to get approval for trades was a pretty big story when he got fired. That could have meant the board, Shanahan, or both. Ironically, Dubas took the Penquins job knowing he couldn't trade Crosby, Malkin or Letang.

It was weeks - that summer was when they started pushing Nylander for a D

I can find a bunch of summer rumours, but nothing that says the Leafs were active in trade talks. Treliving said in early September 2023 there was no impasse in negotiations.

 

[CelticDruid]

Utah Likely Out on Marner​

The Toronto Maple Leafs are still weighing their options with Mitch Marner. A sign-and-trade was floated earlier this spring, but Mirtle now says Marner’s camp appears poised to test the open market on July 1. Vegas might be among the few teams with the cap space and appetite to pursue a deal if Toronto re-engages.

The NHL’s newest franchise, the Utah Mammoth, is expected to be active but cautious in free agency. Chris Johnston says they won’t be handing out “massive contracts,” and may not pursue top-tier UFAs like Marner. The Mammoth are looking to make big moves, but not moves that will be seen as overly emotional or reactive, just to make a splash.

I was so looking forward to Marner popping out of the mechanical mammoth whilst digging copious amounts of cash out of its ass.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

TAK7 LIKELY OUT ON SYDNEY SWEENEY

I'm not out on Sydney Sweeney but she's most certainly out on me...

 

[mikeyz]

 

[Mess]

Two Sides of Marner: Playoff Ghost or Franchise Pillar?​

Marner is a polarizing figure. His regular-season numbers are undeniable—he’s consistently among the team’s leading scorers and plays in all situations. He’s also deeply tied to the city: a hometown kid who grew up a fan, gives back off the ice, and genuinely wants to be a Maple Leaf for life.

Yet, his playoff reputation continues to weigh him down. Over the past few years, fans have watched Marner disappear in key games, visibly frustrated and angry. Yet, still ineffective as the stakes rise. While he still produces occasional points, it often doesn’t feel like he impacts the outcome. As each series advances he crumbles under the pressure and contributes less as the games gain importance.

That’s a hard pill for a player carrying a $10.9 million cap hit, especially when the same script has repeated year after year. The core question fans ask is whether keeping Marner is about hope or habit.

Reallocating Marner’s Salary Cap Space Is Enticing​

There’s another layer to this debate: what else could the Maple Leafs do with that money? With the salary cap jumping to $95.5 million, Toronto enters the offseason with around $25.7 million in projected space. That sounds like a lot—until you consider they have only 15 players under contract. Depth will cost money. So, will any upgrades to the blue line, although it would seem as if their goaltending is pretty solid?

Re-signing Marner to a market-value deal—say, $12 million annually—would again eat up a massive budget share. While he’s certainly talented enough to command that number, some fans wonder if the Maple Leafs would be better off spreading that money across multiple needs. In other words, if Toronto wants to change its identity, can it afford to spend 40% of its cap on four forwards again? Even if John Tavares is willing to go deeply market-friendly, a returned Core Four will still eat up a considerable slice of the salary pie.

The Case For & Against the Maple Leafs Re-Signing Mitch Marner - The Hockey Writers Toronto Maple Leafs Latest News, Analysis & More

Should the Toronto Maple Leafs even try to re-sign Mitch Marner? What is the case for an against trying to bring him back to the team?

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[Superstar]

I was so looking forward to Marner popping out of the mechanical mammoth whilst digging copious amounts of cash out of its ass.

That would drive the mammoth to extinction again...

 

[Kazparov]

It depends on what he wants.
They have the room to pay him 14 million.
You can walk down the street and people won’t bother you.
They finished 2 points behind Montreal who made the playoffs.
It’s an hour and 20 minute flight from Toronto.

Yeah those are good points.

 

[Aashir]

And my point is they never said that and never will because they don’t care about winning.

Thing is he’s probably not wrong

It would get spun negatively because:
A) it doesn’t take direct blame from him that could still be seen as a point towards the entire team and

B) There’s so much baggage with these guys, the fans just don’t wanna hear anything from them. Marner coming out after game 4 and saying “we were bad, I was horrible and will be better” would be nice…for about a day and then if they still have that game 5 performance and game 7 performance it doesn’t matter. Mcdavids saying mean more because he then comes out and leads. That whole “dig in right now” speech is seen as motivating or whatever because he put up like 11 points in 3 games to claw them back into the series.

We are past the point of words with our guys for the franchise, it’s been a few years past IMO

This type of stat is what makes me annoyed with marner

I get that he isn’t a goal scorer, and that he is playing with Matthews who is a limited playmaker in his own right, but when mfers are eclipsing his career playoff totals in a single run, I really just get tired of hearing defence for the player. Like this year it was Bennett, a few years ago Marchessault. At some point you gotta score more than 2 goals in a series and Marner hasn’t, and maybe can’t do that.

Marners goal scoring is the one thing that lets him down in the playoffs, his playmaking is still very solid as it barely drops totals wise, but his goalscoring looks worse than a defencemens and that’s just completely unacceptable from a core piece.

 

[Stephen]

Your representation of events is incorrect. The decision needed to be made in 2023, and Presidents do not hire GMs that disagree on the most important decision facing the team. The decision was made, and it was the correct one. Re-signing Marner had to be the top priority last offseason, when Marner was talking about his love for the city and his goal of signing long-term. Instead, there didn't appear to be much urgency from Treliving. There appeared to be assumptions that we could just force Marner into in-season negotiations he didn't want. Treliving then played stupid games during the season; alienating him publicly, and feeding the toxicity machine. Treliving is the GM, and he was in charge of re-signing Marner. He has failed.

That’s a fanciful interpretation of events.

More likely the management team pursued a number of scenarios, including trying to trade him in the rumoured Vegas swap, also tried to renegotiate with him to protect the asset, looked at the Rantanen trade as a last ditch deadline day offer to remake the team. To this day, having the Marner exit is not altogether the incorrect choice.

 

[Stephen]

Thing is he’s probably not wrong

It would get spun negatively because:
A) it doesn’t take direct blame from him that could still be seen as a point towards the entire team and

B) There’s so much baggage with these guys, the fans just don’t wanna hear anything from them. Marner coming out after game 4 and saying “we were bad, I was horrible and will be better” would be nice…for about a day and then if they still have that game 5 performance and game 7 performance it doesn’t matter. Mcdavids saying mean more because he then comes out and leads. That whole “dig in right now” speech is seen as motivating or whatever because he put up like 11 points in 3 games to claw them back into the series.

We are past the point of words with our guys for the franchise, it’s been a few years past IMO


This type of stat is what makes me annoyed with marner

I get that he isn’t a goal scorer, and that he is playing with Matthews who is a limited playmaker in his own right, but when mfers are eclipsing his career playoff totals in a single run, I really just get tired of hearing defence for the player. Like this year it was Bennett, a few years ago Marchessault. At some point you gotta score more than 2 goals in a series and Marner hasn’t, and maybe can’t do that.

Marners goal scoring is the one thing that lets him down in the playoffs, his playmaking is still very solid as it barely drops totals wise, but his goalscoring looks worse than a defencemens and that’s just completely unacceptable from a core piece.

Well, the Leafs top line is all kinds of dysfunctional. Like Marner is a playmaker who doesn’t score. Okay, so go Adam Oates up some plays and create chances for Ol’ 34. Oh you can’t because you’re too well covered? Okay, thanks we love you anyway.

 

[ACC1224]

And my point is they never said that and never will because they don’t care about winning.

Sure but then that has nothing to do with what I posted.

 

[Superstar]

They would be roasted here for saying something like that.

They just keep the noise out from here...who needs the pressure, right?

 

[Stephen]

They would be roasted here for saying something like that.

McDavid and friends would have a lot more credibility to speak because they do their best talking on the ice.

 

[ULF_55]

Your representation of events is incorrect. The decision needed to be made in 2023, and Presidents do not hire GMs that disagree on the most important decision facing the team. The decision was made, and it was the correct one. Re-signing Marner had to be the top priority last offseason, when Marner was talking about his love for the city and his goal of signing long-term. Instead, there didn't appear to be much urgency from Treliving. There appeared to be assumptions that we could just force Marner into in-season negotiations he didn't want. Treliving then played stupid games during the season; alienating him publicly, and feeding the toxicity machine. Treliving is the GM, and he was in charge of re-signing Marner. He has failed.

Your opinion might be correct.

But much of what you wrote is conjecture, and slanted against Treliving.

"stupid games"
"didn't appear to be much urgency from Treliving"
"assumptions that we could just force Marner"
"alienating him publicly"

 

[capfit9]

Your representation of events is incorrect. The decision needed to be made in 2023, and Presidents do not hire GMs that disagree on the most important decision facing the team. The decision was made, and it was the correct one. Re-signing Marner had to be the top priority last offseason, when Marner was talking about his love for the city and his goal of signing long-term. Instead, there didn't appear to be much urgency from Treliving. There appeared to be assumptions that we could just force Marner into in-season negotiations he didn't want. Treliving then played stupid games during the season; alienating him publicly, and feeding the toxicity machine. Treliving is the GM, and he was in charge of re-signing Marner. He has failed.

Interesting, you never posted like this for Dubas.

 

[colchar]

Dubas could - and did, on occasion - use Shanahan as a sounding board on strategy, general direction and plans heading into the deadline and free agency.

But did Shanahan actually have a say in player transactions, no, he didn't. Why would he?

How would you know?

As for Shanahan dictating trades or tying Kyle Dubas or Brad Treliving's hands when it came to making transactions I don't believe that for one second and frankly it would be idiotic for a team to have their team President involved in this manner.

It is true whether you believe it or not. It is widely known that Shanny told the Core Four that they would not be traded. That is the very definition of tying his GM's hands.

 

[colchar]

Your representation of events is incorrect. The decision needed to be made in 2023, and Presidents do not hire GMs that disagree on the most important decision facing the team. The decision was made, and it was the correct one. Re-signing Marner had to be the top priority last offseason, when Marner was talking about his love for the city and his goal of signing long-term. Instead, there didn't appear to be much urgency from Treliving. There appeared to be assumptions that we could just force Marner into in-season negotiations he didn't want. Treliving then played stupid games during the season; alienating him publicly, and feeding the toxicity machine. Treliving is the GM, and he was in charge of re-signing Marner. He has failed.

 

[hockeywiz542]

The 9 most intriguing teams of NHL free agency: What I heard from a buzzy draft combine

Which teams are poised to make big moves over the next few weeks, and for who? Plus, an update on CBA talks.

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Anaheim Ducks

One question I tried to pose to everyone I chatted with over the past week: Who is going to have the most interesting offseason?

Several folks pointed to Anaheim and GM Pat Verbeek wanting to make a big move or two to finally push the young club forward after seven consecutive years out of the playoffs.

The Ducks took a jump from 59 points to 80 this past season, and some of their kids (e.g. Leo Carlsson) seemed to figure things out more as the year went on. They appear set in goal with Lukáš Dostál — a restricted free agent who needs a new contract — and have some trade chips at the position (John Gibson). The big question is, what do they do with as much as $25 million in cap space after signing their RFAs?

Some of the chatter is that they’ll potentially be the high bidder for Mitch Marner, with an unheard-of average annual value north of the $14 million that the Oilers’ Leon Draisaitl currently makes as the NHL’s highest-paid player.

 

[leafs in five]

McDavid and friends would have a lot more credibility to speak because they do their best talking on the ice.

I hope he scores a goal soon

 

[Confucius]

It depends on what he wants.
They have the room to pay him 14 million.
You can walk down the street and people won’t bother you.
They finished 2 points behind Montreal who made the playoffs.
It’s an hour and 20 minute flight from Toronto.

Yeah but you do have to allocate time for early arrival, packing,driving to and from the airport, lineups, customs. So more like 1/2 a day anyway

 

[Nineteen67]

It depends on what he wants.
They have the room to pay him 14 million.
You can walk down the street and people won’t bother you.
They finished 2 points behind Montreal who made the playoffs.
It’s an hour and 20 minute flight from Toronto.

And college football…..it’s Ohio State and every three or four years they play a good team and this is one of them.

 

[Tak7]

Dubas being frustrated at having to go through channels above him to get approval for trades was a pretty big story when he got fired. That could have meant the board, Shanahan, or both. Ironically, Dubas took the Penquins job knowing he couldn't trade Crosby, Malkin or Letang.

The irony shouldn't be lost on anyone that Dubas got fired by Shanahan, for wanting to implement the sort of reporting structure that the Leafs have now implemented after firing Shanahan

 

[Antropovsky]

I hope he scores a goal soon

Help me understand. You defend Marner like mad but are criticizing Mcdavid's playoffs? Lol.

Mcdavid playoffs:

Marner playoffs