Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[ACC1224]

To be fair if NHL players spend time going on hfboards to see what’s being said about the team they’re probably not the right fit for the leafs.

I think this whole thing about what is said on a message board does not affect the players at all. If they choose to listen to radio or podcasts that’s on the player. It’s easy to avoid media blackout.

No one thinks players are coming to HF Boards to see what's being said.
Players do speak to each other though, all the time. It's naïve to think that the appeal of this team isn't trending in the wrong direction.

 

[Trapper]

I disagree completely - I think it matters massively how we end up here.

If the Leafs are indeed still trying to engage, it means they've learned nothing from the past 9 years - and quite clearly lack the sort of ruthlessness required to build a cup contending team.

Good point. And again it goes back to them blowing smoke up us at the yearly fail press conferences.

 

[Tak7]

No one thinks players are coming to HF Boards to see what's being said.
Players do speak to each other though, all the time. It's naïve to think that the appeal of this team isn't trending in the wrong direction.

It's naive to think players aren't dialed into social media either.

But I fully agree regarding the 'appeal of the team' - it was horrifying hearing the Panthers give voice to how "tough" the Toronto market is. Even if you're from here and fundamentally believe that not to be true, the fact is, hockey players are a very close fraternity, and if that suggestion is being discussed openly in the media, there's a very real chance it's widespread already.

 

[sunstersun]

Toronto is literally the 2nd best place in North America to live in. Arguably best place if you aren't crazy.

No talk about how awesome Toronto is as a city eh????

God damn, Toronto is awesome and all I hear is yapping about the fans.

Florida Panthers are TROLLING us, if we won the Stanley Cup, do you know how little pressure there would be lmao. It's not like we're demanding a cup either. No 6-1 playoff collapses or 1st round exits to Montreal. Or losing to a crippled Boston team.

 

[Stephen]

I don't understand what you're getting at here. Marner said he's going to July 1. Fans are the one freaking out and throwing a fit. I see no turmoil over on Marner's side of things, he's been quiet other than releasing a statement that his charity event is cancelled.

Talks aren't happening because he's going to July 1. Same way it's been since the season ended. Everything else has been people writing fanfic and getting upset about their own fanfic.

I think we’re just having a breakup…

 

[keonsbitterness]

Yes, Nylander's contract negotiation was drama free....

You all live in fantasy land.

Can't say it was drama free after the Leafs explored a trade after his negotiations apparently stalled some time after Labour Day, Difference was Nylander neither had Dreger as his mouthpiece nor an agent who was a media whore.

 

[Racer88]

if people don't want him that's fine but there's no need to try to paint him like he's a passenger who only leeches points off his linemates !

Mitch is an elite play driving winger who is also very good defensively , hockey is a team game and the entire team has failed so easy on scapegoating Mitch like he was the only issue .

anyway as i said i'm trying to be consistent with the opinions on this board so if Marner does decide to re-sign with us and takes less than the 14 plus million that's being floated around that teams are prepared to offer then he should be praised for giving us a discount to play for his home town team and given a pass for the entirety of his contract

That would just prove that 14 number is a fair tale and that management was not serious when they said they wanted to change the DNA of this team and that they are content to run it back yet again

 

[Stephen]

It's naive to think players aren't dialed into social media either.

But I fully agree regarding the 'appeal of the team' - it was horrifying hearing the Panthers give voice to how "tough" the Toronto market is. Even if you're from here and fundamentally believe that not to be true, the fact is, hockey players are a very close fraternity, and if that suggestion is being discussed openly in the media, there's a very real chance it's widespread already.

It’s such an insult to me to hear the Marner camp, his fans and whisper campaigns talk about how tough the Toronto media is, how this is toxic, that is toxic and all the while we’ve suffered through 9 years of underachiever hockey in this town from that immature core.

Like all the times they let us down we should have suffered those years with more gratitude, should have cheered harder when there wasn’t anything to cheer for, how we should have been more understanding they couldn’t get shit done in any empty Scotiabank Arena. And how dare we have message boards and reddit threads and podcasts where we talk about our team?

 

[keonsbitterness]

No one thinks players are coming to HF Boards to see what's being said.
Players do speak to each other though, all the time. It's naïve to think that the appeal of this team isn't trending in the wrong direction.

Wrong direction? Are season ticket renewals expected to be under 99%?

 

[Antropovsky]

It's been a good thread , not quite the "Dubas has passed the Test'' thread that Stinkety 90210 started but that one was legendary . lol !

.... as good as the "Marner Appreciation Thread"?

You know the one where certain posters were demanding anyone criticizing Marner be infractioned and banned?

Found their public meet-up location:

 

[Stephen]

if people don't want him that's fine but there's no need to try to paint him like he's a passenger who only leeches points off his linemates !

Mitch is an elite play driving winger who is also very good defensively , hockey is a team game and the entire team has failed so easy on scapegoating Mitch like he was the only issue .

anyway as i said i'm trying to be consistent with the opinions on this board so if Marner does decide to re-sign with us and takes less than the 14 plus million that's being floated around that teams are prepared to offer then he should be praised for giving us a discount to play for his home town team and given a pass for the entirety of his contract

Why should it be his decision to magically change his mind and choose to come back?

 

[Tak7]

It’s such an insult to me to hear the Marner camp, his fans and whisper campaigns talk about how tough the Toronto media is, how this is toxic, that is toxic and all the while we’ve suffered through 9 years of underachiever hockey in this town from that immature core.

Like all the times they let us down we should have suffered those years with more gratitude, should have cheered harder when there wasn’t anything to cheer for, how we should have been more understanding they couldn’t get shit done in any empty Scotiabank Arena. And how dare we have message boards and reddit threads and podcasts where we talk about our team?

Empty buildings? Failed.
No media face to face? Failed.
Electric home crowds? Failed.
Game 7 on the road? Failed.
Game 7 at home? Failed.
Milk my hometown team for every penny possible? Success
Take the fanbase for granted? Success

Toronto's so mean though

 

[Fogelhund]

It's the place where Gods can be made, if earned. It's not a place where Gods are self-declared, without that Cup. It's a place where you are under a microscope, that not all can handle, but the glory if they win, is unmatched.

 

[leafs in five]

I would have thought there were enough lowlights in this guy's time here that people wouldn't feel the need to like retcon his performance at the 4 Nations into a failure. I hope we can all find some peace

 

[hotpaws]

Why should it be his decision to magically change his mind and choose to come back?

why shouldn't he also be included on the list of players who can decide whether it's only their decision where they want to play ? surely there's enough space to include him with JT !

 

[Stephen]

Empty buildings? Failed.
No media face to face? Failed.
Electric home crowds? Failed.
Game 7 on the road? Failed.
Game 7 at home? Failed.
Milk my hometown team for every penny possible? Success
Take the fanbase for granted? Success

Toronto's so mean though

Marner should have been traded (fired) after the Montreal series. But the president stuck his neck out for him and gave him 4 more cracks at redemption. You never hear the Marner camp say a peep about how the organization had his back and paved the road for him to have his redemption arc every year. You never really hear them talk about the deep appreciation for the organization having the loyalty and faith in him. You never think about how guys actually lost their jobs putting their career in Marner’s hands.

 

[Racer88]

So some of you guys are comparing how well Marner did in the 4 nations cup.
Considering there was not much hitting compared to the Florida series I’m not surprised he did well. He is built for tournaments like that.
I don’t think many of us would argue that he wasn’t a very good players in the regular season. It’s the playoffs and especially elimination games that he is simply awful.
He is simply not worth 13-14 million plus. He is not one of the top 3-5 guys in the world
Many want to claim he has better stats then Bennett of Marchand but if you actually watch the games Bennett is out there scoring and winning games for his team, so is Marchand.
Is doesn’t matter how unsustainable their shooting percentage is or how weak it was before now nothing changes the fact that they are doing it right now and will probably get another cup while we sit her and some of us think the team is doomed if they they don’t sign Marner

 

[TheDoldrums]

Try and imagine, if you're able, a whole world that exists that isn't this forum.

but your problem was that "this place is so poisoned." (emphasis mine)

This place is so poisoned. It's just a bunch of uncontrolled froth that makes little sense.
This is going to quickly become an organization that players will avoid if possible, can't blame them.

 

[Stephen]

why shouldn't he also be included on the list of players who can decide whether it's only their decision where they want to play ? surely there's enough space to include him with JT !

If I were Leafs I wouldn’t have him back - although I’ve always suspected MLSE might have some change of heart and overpay him last minute a la Vladdy. Personally I would choose the DNA change.

 

[hotpaws]

That would just prove that 14 number is a fair tale and that management was not serious when they said they wanted to change the DNA of this team and that they are content to run it back yet again

it might be a fairy tale but if that's a fairy tale then don't we also have to rethink what rumors of what other players were offered are as well , or do just pick and choose depending on our opinion of the player ?

 

[Tak7]

Marner should have been traded (fired) after the Montreal series. But the president stuck his neck out for him and gave him 4 more cracks at redemption. You never hear the Marner camp say a peep about how the organization had his back and paved the road for him to have his redemption arc every year. You never really hear them talk about the deep appreciation for the organization having the loyalty and faith in him.

Even this year at the deadline - clearly they were irritated at the state of play of the negotiations, so put out there very deliberately that Marner refused to waive his NMC for the Rantanen deal.

Marner got upset, and what happened 24 hours later? Treliving is holding an impromptu media scrum trying to calm the waters & make sure everyone knows how much they love Marner.

At even the slightest suggestion that Marner's feeling are hurt, this organization has jumped over every hoop imagineable to make sure he feels okay and warm and loved and coddled.

You never hear a lick from his camp about that though - I suspect we will get a throwaway line in the Player's Tribute page he takes out once he signs in LA or Vegas.

 

[Antropovsky]

I would have thought there were enough lowlights in this guy's time here that people wouldn't feel the need to like retcon his performance at the 4 Nations into a failure. I hope we can all find some peace

Demoted from 3rd line to 4th by game 3. In game 3, he was least played player along with Konecny.

If he truly had strong games to start the series, it’s hard to explain the coach dropping him to the 2nd line by game 2, and then the 3rd line by game 3 and giving him the fewest minutes in game 3.

More likely, he had a couple of standout plays that masked an otherwise underwhelming performance.

 

[Stephen]

No one thinks players are coming to HF Boards to see what's being said.
Players do speak to each other though, all the time. It's naïve to think that the appeal of this team isn't trending in the wrong direction.

The appeal of this team has been trending downwards because the core players are not superstars worth bandwagoning on for championship runs, not because of the podcast world, and Mark Masters and fan chatter.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I would have thought there were enough lowlights in this guy's time here that people wouldn't feel the need to like retcon his performance at the 4 Nations into a failure. I hope we can all find some peace

No peace here, only pieces.

 

[Stephen]

Even this year at the deadline - clearly they were irritated at the state of play of the negotiations, so put out there very deliberately that Marner refused to waive his NMC for the Rantanen deal.

Marner got upset, and what happened 24 hours later? Treliving is holding an impromptu media scrum trying to calm the waters & make sure everyone knows how much they love Marner.

At even the slightest suggestion that Marner's feeling are hurt, this organization has jumped over every hoop imagineable to make sure he feels okay and warm and loved and coddled.

You never hear a lick from his camp about that though - I suspect we will get a throwaway line in the Player's Tribute page he takes out once he signs in LA or Vegas.

The amount of times Leafs coaching and management have had to Michael Jackson moonwalk back some comment cause happy Mitch won’t have it…