Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[Da Mash]

Isn’t it funny how the cap has ruined our love for players.

No one knew or cared what Gilmour or Clark and Sundin etc made back then and guess what?
They were paid very well for those times and still failed to win anything here. And they are icons here

Now we have again some elite players here who have struggled to win anything like all the former players since 67 but we have fans who want to run them all out of town.

Welll except Rielly who continues to get a pass and still baffles me why. Longest serving leaf

 

[Anthrax442]

Isn’t it funny how the cap has ruined our love for players.

No one knew or cared what Gilmour or Clark and Sundin etc made back then and guess what?
They were paid very well for those times and still failed to win anything here. And they are icons here

Now we have again some elite players here who have struggled to win anything like all the former players since 67 but we have fans who want to run them all out of town.

Welll except Rielly who continues to get a pass and still baffles me why. Longest serving leaf

Agreed. And we lost so many good players to the cap

 

[Mess]

Mitch Marner is a perfect example of what not to do.

Pay first and expect results to follow that Salary.

Good teams have good players EARN their financial rewards through strong playoff contributions.

If you allow player greed to run your team all you get is player arrogance and complacency, followed by endless team disappointment because they never proved they knew how to WIN first.

 

[IPS]

Isn’t it funny how the cap has ruined our love for players.

No one knew or cared what Gilmour or Clark and Sundin etc made back then and guess what?
They were paid very well for those times and still failed to win anything here. And they are icons here

Now we have again some elite players here who have struggled to win anything like all the former players since 67 but we have fans who want to run them all out of town.

Welll except Rielly who continues to get a pass and still baffles me why. Longest serving leaf

No.

Take the pay out of it and people would still have a problem with Marner's game in the playoffs. It's repulsive to watch.

People loved Gilmour, Clark and Sundin cause they punched above their weight in the playoffs. They took less talented teams and made them overachieve. That doesn't apply to this core.

 

[KapG]

Someone named a bunch of players who were top playoff performers who would never have survived in Toronto. I beg to differ. Someone please show me an example of a player who played for Toronto and who was a demon in the playoffs being ran out of town here.

 

[Racer88]

Isn’t it funny how the cap has ruined our love for players.

No one knew or cared what Gilmour or Clark and Sundin etc made back then and guess what?
They were paid very well for those times and still failed to win anything here. And they are icons here

Now we have again some elite players here who have struggled to win anything like all the former players since 67 but we have fans who want to run them all out of town.

Welll except Rielly who continues to get a pass and still baffles me why. Longest serving leaf

I would argue that the lack of effort and toughness and commitment in the hard games is what has ruined our love for this group of players. The cap has only exacerbated the pain from this soft group of similar players.

 

[GlitchMarner]

LA would be a great fit for him IMO. A Kopitar - Marner line would be pretty good even at Kopitar’s age.

LA can't beat EDM. I don't think Marner would change that.

He and Kopitar would get absolutely demolished by McDavid. Kopi is old and runs out of gas in the playoffs and Marner doesn't have the speed to keep up with McDavid.

 

[TMLAM34]

LA can't beat EDM. I don't think Marner would change that.

He and Kopitar would get absolutely demolished by McDavid. Kopi is old and runs out of gas in the playoffs and Marner doesn't have the speed to keep up with McDavid.

1. No one in the league aside from MacKinnon has the speed and skill to keep up with McDavid.

2. If you’re going to compare teams to the Oilers, it looks like Florida would be Marners only option.

 

[GlitchMarner]

Marner to Florida rumor is a great one. He would be even better in Florida, protected by players and fans. He is a great skilled player...who can play...but CANNOT lead.
Marner has skill to perform but has not developed the heart, maybe when he sees heart he might. Maybe a coach that puts him on a bench until he does would help.
There is a significant difference between bitching to the referee and whining to a ref. Players know it, fans know it.
Would Marners attitude get him the type of call Gretzky got with Dougie?
His other leading men in Toronto are just like him, AM, Reilly, WN. Put him with Tkachuk, Barkov, Marchand, maybe Bennett, maybe Marner becomes a man. It would be fun.

I think a team like FLA would be the best fit for him. That team is deep and knows how to win. They wouldn't need him to be a leader or win physical battles. They have plenty of players who can do those things and players who would open up space for him and give him time to make plays.

Don't know if FLA wants or needs him, though. I don't see them paying him what he'll want or having any good reason to do so.

 

[Mess]

No.

Take the pay out of it and people would still have a problem with Marner's game in the playoffs. It's repulsive to watch.

Marner is the same player today then he was an OHLer many years ago back in London, he hasn't changed his style all these years.

That is why I claimed it was a big mistake drafting a small soft winger with the #4 overall pick.. Sure he would put up regular season points based on skill and vision which was never a concern, but if you wanted a champion to lead you come playoff time Magic Mitch would be a passenger and not a leader.

The Leafs wasted nearly a decade now building him up as a key core player and I for one am looking forward to moving on and writing off the Marner years in Toronto as ill advised stuck between 1967 and the next Leafs Stanley Cup.

Mitch will be remember for his time here as Leafs "bringing a butter knife to a gun fight come playoff time".

 

[Confucius]

Marner is the same player today then he was an OHLer many years ago back in London, he hasn't changed his style all these years.

That is why I claimed it was a big mistake drafting a small soft winger with the #4 overall pick.. Sure he would put up regular season points based on skill and vision which was never a concern, but if you wanted a champion to lead you come playoff time Magic Mitch would be a passenger and not a leader.

The Leafs wasted nearly a decade now building him up as a key core player and I for one am looking forward to moving on and writing off the Marner years in Toronto as ill advised stuck between 1967 and the next Leafs Stanley Cup.

Mitch will be remember for his time here as Leafs "bringing a butter knife to a gun fight come playoff time".

Well we had regular season success and that seems to have worn off. It’s all about the playoffs now.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Reportedly rejected 13.5, counteroffered 15.5, then refused to negotiate further. How exactly should the Leafs have handled that differently?

That's not what's been reported, and even actual reports aren't worth a whole lot when every report is contradicted by 5 others. Letting one of the best players in franchise history walk to free agency is a fireable offense. He either needed to be traded two years ago, or we needed to make re-signing him last offseason the top priority. We certainly shouldn't have been playing stupid games at the deadline.

Gee all things considered it is best for Mitch to move on.

Moving on might be best for Marner, given the irrational toxicity of this market. It's not best for the Leafs, and hopefully it doesn't happen.

 

[HolyCrap]

Well we had regular season success and that seems to have worn off. It’s all about the playoffs now.

It’s been all about the playoffs for years now. Since the Columbus series a lot of us were saying changes were needed concerning the core. We were right.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Getting marner to agree to a low ball offer is the real move

 

[Maple Leaf]

Getting marner to agree to a low ball offer is the real move

and no NMC

 

[seventieslord]

True stat:

Mitch is (for now) 5th all-time in Leafs playoff points.

Considering how few games he played and how underwhelming his performance has been in the post-season, it is one of the most damning indictments of this franchise's absolutely atrocious playoff history post-1967.

(AM & Willie will likely both catch him if the Leafs get out of the 1st round next year, possibly even if they don't make it that far.)

Leafs have just four instances of a player scoring double-digit goals in a playoff. And three of them came in one season.

 

[Menzinger]

I think a team like FLA would be the best fit for him. That team is deep and knows how to win. They wouldn't need him to be a leader or win physical battles. They have plenty of players who can do those things and players who would open up space for him and give him time to make plays.

Don't know if FLA wants or needs him, though. I don't see them paying him what he'll want or having any good reason to do so.

I can't see him agreeing to stay in the Atlantic. If he leaves he's going out West and keeping the return trips to Toronto at a minimum

 

[notDatsyuk]

Leafs have just four instances of a player scoring double-digit goals in a playoff. And three of them came in one season.

Of the current crop Willy has the most with 6. Several players have 5 or 4. Mitch's best is 3.

 

[daveleaf]

I don’t think he knew what he wanted, maybe he still doesn’t, the clocks ticking on a decision though.
I have no doubt he ever thought it would come to this here.

But he kind of is the architect of where things are. Highly talented player but creates drama.

 

[daveleaf]

The player is highly talented. I don’t think the makeup of that first line really takes advantage of his talents. I keep coming back to when Mathews was out for an extended period. Mitch was masterful then. He’s getting assists, Mathews disappears in the playoffs and that drags Marriner down. Trading Mathews would solve many things on this team. Cap, cap space, leadership and a grittier team. For a guy that is 6’4” he doesn’t make his own space out there. From what I’ve seen in the playoffs this year, offence seems to be driven by forwards, not as much from the centre spot. Florida has been masterful and the oilers as well. Austin is coming off his 60+ goal two years ago, his value is high. He will never raid the cup in Toronto.

 

[ACC1224]

But he kind of is the architect of where things are. Highly talented player but creates drama.

No doubt there are many things he could have handled differently (better).
Own worst enemy off the ice which over exaggerates many peoples impression of him on the ice.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

I think a team like FLA would be the best fit for him. That team is deep and knows how to win. They wouldn't need him to be a leader or win physical battles. They have plenty of players who can do those things and players who would open up space for him and give him time to make plays.

Don't know if FLA wants or needs him, though. I don't see them paying him what he'll want or having any good reason to do so.

Cool story Bro. Florida, nor any contender, will ever pay Marner even his existing salary.

They have smart GMs.

 

[58 Years No Cup]

Getting marner to agree to a low ball offer is the real move

Define "low ball".

 

[Maple Leaf]

Define "low ball".

 

[58 Years No Cup]

Leafs have just four instances of a player scoring double-digit goals in a playoff. And three of them came in one season.

What a legacy of failure.