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With Rantanen we would still lose to FLA.
Stolarz and Rantanen. Not sure. I liked this team could have done it. Took them to 7games
With Rantanen we would still lose to FLA.
Stolarz and Rantanen. Not sure. I liked this team could have done it. Took them to 7games
Stolarz and Rantanen. Not sure. I liked this team could have done it. Took them to 7games
That and a first line center, a number 1 D to run the PP and….Healthy Stolarz and we would have won the series
Have you seen the way Florida plays in the playoffs? Marner is literally the exact contrast of that.If Marner signs in Florida I don't want to see a single person on this board defend him no matter how big a fan of his they are. That would make it clear to me that those posters are Marner first, Leafs second. Not acceptable.
That would pretty much be the apex of cowardice on Mitch's part and would completely validate absolutely everything the anti-Marner posters have been parroting for years. I don't expect it to happen. If he thinks he's hated now he wouldn't believe how persona non grata he'd be in the entire province if he does something like that.
If there is no cap. People will still give a crap for their playoffs disappearance act. But Leafs could also offer MacKinnon, Drai, Hyman, McD, Makar, Bennett, Rantanen, Ekblad and whoever twice the salary of the next team and sign those guys. Which then our core 5 would most likely be playing their true roles which is the Beta or Charlie role and be good at it.It's also pure, unadulterated greed. Like it's totally within Marner's remit to go get what's his - but it's also totally fair to call him out on putting his own personal well-being above the team's.
If there was no salary cap or a luxury taxed based system, I don't think anyone would really care if he was haggling over $12M vs. $14M and just focus on his on ice suitability.
I agree he wants a short term deal. He can sign his long term deal when the cap jumps up significantly more, like Matthews is planning to. He will get paid as if in his prime, around ages 30-38, won’t have to take a pay cut in his mid 30s like Tavares. The downside to this strategy is risk of injury, but for Marner, he’s got more chance of getting hurt playing water sports at the cottage than hockey.Naa, its all about money for money Mitch. Uncle Marleau taught him and Matthews. Marleau signed a 2 year contract between 30 and 31 years, Matthews is a UFA at 30 Marner wants the same. He wouldve signed for 13.5x2 but Tree wanted long term. Same $%^& as last contract negotiations.
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Can this lineup beat the Panthers?Suppose the Leafs could retain Marner for around $13 million and acquire Bjugstad for about $3 million, totalling $16 million.
Would you prefer Marner and Bjugstad for $16 million, or a different pair like Boeser and Duchene for the same amount?
I’d take Marner and Bjugstad any day—and keep in mind, it’s not even guaranteed the Leafs could land players as skilled as Duchene or Boeser who probably look elsewhere. The Leafs alternative is probably worse than guys like Boeser and Duchene.
The Leafs winning percentage over the last 2 years without Marner is under .500. Yet they are 18-2-1 without Rielly. I'm down for change, but keep Marner, and boot Rielly... and let each of the big 3 run their own line. That's how we achieve balance and maintain regular season dominance, while continuing to give our selves a chance to break thorough. With Carolina getting dominated by Florida, it's clear the Leafs are the 2nd best team in the Eastern conference. They might be the 2nd best team in the world, having takin Florida to 7 games. It's basically 1. Florida and 2. Edmonton/Toronto/Dallas. Why would we downgrade our team just because we're 2nd out of 32 teams. It's a huge risk and likely to fail.
Knies – Matthews – Domi
Laughton – Tavares – Marner
McMann – Bjugstad – Nylander
Oh it’s not just your opinion. lol! I’ve been saying all year long the only fair deal is 11. He may get an overpayment from somebody but it shouldn’t be us.At Marner’s current cap percentage, I think he’d be at 12.78 million on next years cap.
It’s pretty crazy to think, that 6 years later and now as UFA, and he’s still not worth his cap hit percentage.
I know it’s just my opinion, but it doesn’t look like he’s worth it to any contenders either, if the rumoured suitors are true.
Or maybe Carolina is looking for a proven playoff performer and would have no interest in a playoff failureCarolina will offer him the money they were offered Rantanen
Apparently Carolina offered Rantanen 8 year 100 million. They'll have no problem offering that to Marner
I wouldn’t take him back at 11 but that probably is the right number.Oh it’s not just your opinion. lol! I’ve been saying all year long the only fair deal is 11. He may get an overpayment from somebody but it shouldn’t be us.
Or maybe Carolina is looking for a proven playoff performer and would have no interest in a playoff failure
I’d think not after all Rantanen 43 goals in 97 playoff games, Marner 13 goals in 70 games. I wouldn’t think Canes see them as equalsCarolina will offer him the money they were offered Rantanen
Apparently Carolina offered Rantanen 8 year 100 million. They'll have no problem offering that to Marner
I’d think not after all Rantanen 43 goals in 97 playoff games, Marner 13 goals in 70 games. I wouldn’t think Canes see them as equals
yep. It'd be like watching the Premier League in which you either support 1 of 4-5 competitive teams, or you support a feeder team which loses its best homegrown players to one of these 4-5 teams. In addition to being a Leafs fan, I'm also an Arsenal fan, so I've dealt with a lot of pain over the years.If there is no cap. People will still give a crap for their playoffs disappearance act. But Leafs could also offer MacKinnon, Drai, Hyman, McD, Makar, Bennett, Rantanen, Ekblad and whoever twice the salary of the next team and sign those guys. Which then our core 5 would most likely be playing their true roles which is the Beta or Charlie role and be good at it.
Like AM would literally be 3C behind McD and MacKinnon. Hyman with McD and Drai but won’t be on PP1(McD, Drai, Mack, Rantanen and Makar). Knies will probably be 2LW with Mack and Rantanen, MM might be a better fit on the 3D line with JT and AM. The forth line would be Laughton-Bennett and Willie.
Reilly will be bottom pairing, as Makar, Ekblad, Tanev and Carlo will be on the right side while McCabe, OEL, Reilly and Benoit on the left side.
I am a Gunners fan too. Started back in the day with Bergkamp as I am a Dutch fanyep. It'd be like watching the Premier League in which you either support 1 of 4-5 competitive teams, or you support a feeder team which loses its best homegrown players to one of these 4-5 teams. In addition to being a Leafs fan, I'm also an Arsenal fan, so I've dealt with a lot of pain over the years.
I can’t think anyone would see them as equalsI’d think not after all Rantanen 43 goals in 97 playoff games, Marner 13 goals in 70 games. I wouldn’t think Canes see them as equals
Yep bc MM fans think MM is much better than RantanenI can’t think anyone would see them as equals
NHL Team | Required Gross Salary (USD, millions) |
---|---|
Anaheim Ducks | 17.11 |
Boston Bruins | 15.40 |
Buffalo Sabres | 11.20 |
Calgary Flames | 11.90 |
Carolina Hurricanes | 11.90 |
CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS | 13.30 |
Colorado Avalanche | 11.90 |
Columbus Blue Jackets | 10.18 |
Dallas Stars | 10.98 (* previous calculation error) |
Detroit Red Wings | 11.90 |
Edmonton Oilers | 11.90 |
FLORIDA PANTHERS | 10.55 (* previous calculation error) |
Los Angeles Kings | 17.11 |
Minnesota Wild | 11.90 |
Montreal Canadiens | 11.90 |
NASHVILLE PREDATORS | 11.90 |
New Jersey Devils | 15.40 |
New York Islanders | 18.58 |
New York Rangers | 18.58 |
Ottawa Senators | 14.00 |
Philadelphia Flyers | 11.45 |
Pittsburgh Penguins | 11.45 |
San Jose Sharks | 17.11 |
Seattle Kraken | 11.45 |
St. Louis Blues | 11.90 |
TAMPA BAY LIGHTNING | 11.70 (* previous calculation error) |
TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS | 14.00 |
Utah Mammoth | 12.72 |
Vancouver Canucks | 14.98 |
VEGAS GOLDEN KNIGHTS | 11.85 |
Washington Capitals | 11.45 |
Winnipeg Jets | 11.90 |