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Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

Better it happen to Utah than us (again).
There are two great quotes by the late Russian Prime Minster Viktor Chernomyrdin which sums up the Shanaplan era pretty well lol.

1) -Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.
(We wanted to do it better, but ended up doing it as usual)

and

2)-Отродясь такого не было, и вот опять.
(This has never happened before....yet here we go again.)

Now that Shanahan is finally gone, there really is no excuse to run it back.





(Unless Marner signs for $10M X 8. Then all is forgiven lol)
 
There are two great quotes by the late Russian Prime Minster Viktor Chernomyrdin which sums up the Shanaplan era pretty well lol.

1) -Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.
(We wanted to do it better, but ended up doing it as usual)

and

2)-Отродясь такого не было, и вот опять.
(This has never happened before....yet here we go again.)

Now that Shanahan is finally gone, there really is no excuse to run it back.





(Unless Marner signs for $10M X 8. Then all is forgiven lol)

True, but we know he wont. l want Dubas to sign him to a rdiculous amout again.
 
The money is automatic for Mitch. The marginal little bit more feels insignificant compared to comfort and winning.
Naa, its all about money for money Mitch. Uncle Marleau taught him and Matthews. Marleau signed a 2 year contract between 30 and 31 years, Matthews is a UFA at 30 Marner wants the same. He wouldve signed for 13.5x2 but Tree wanted long term. Same $%^& as last contract negotiations.

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Well ofc he’d like to go there or Vegas - two teams at which he can be that #4-5 guy that he actually is. Would be very surprised to see any of them wanting him though. Sabres, Chicago, Anaheim, Nashville etc I could see.

Edit: but he’ll end up getting 14 from the Leafs and stays. Humble as ever, hometown kid who loves to play for his childhood team.
You are probably right. A hidden dark corner of my mind says that Tre will bend the knee to Marner. If that happens it’s going to very hard to be excited for next year looking forward to running back the same mess for a 10th year of these guys. 9 years is enough to show that these guys can’t even match their regular season prtformance in the Playoffs let alone elevate it
 
You are probably right. A hidden dark corner of my mind says that Tre will bend the knee to Marner. If that happens it’s going to very hard to be excited for next year looking forward to running back the same mess for a 10th year of these guys. 9 years is enough to show that these guys can’t even match their regular season prtformance in the Playoffs let alone elevate it
I also love how some are trying to change the narrative now that the Canes are getting their a**es whopped: “Hey look, others are also losing to that team! Us losing to them should now count as a win!….please?!?!?”
 
McDavid ain't coming to Toronto.

Also I have more faith in Matthews. Matthews is not an issue IMO its Marner. I'd rather keep Matthews, worst comes to worst he is a UFA in 3 years; so Leafs could do some deal 2 years down the road if needed and then go the rebuild route.

IMO Matthews away from Marner would be dangerous and would be the player that we all expect him to be
Matthew’s health is a concern. Secondly, he priorities 4 Nations tournaments and reaching 70 goals then a Stanley cup.
 
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Untap potential, lol, he might be able to grow a beard like Joe Thornton by age 40...that's alot of potential... :sarcasm:
He can come back when he’s 40 like Thornton to teach the next generation to take all you can get salary wise and don’t worry about the postseason. Just get your points in the regular season and relax.
 
You are probably right. A hidden dark corner of my mind says that Tre will bend the knee to Marner. If that happens it’s going to very hard to be excited for next year looking forward to running back the same mess for a 10th year of these guys. 9 years is enough to show that these guys can’t even match their regular season prtformance in the Playoffs let alone elevate it

I hope management has the common sense to look the other way. Marner won't suddenly become a magical player at $14M a season.
 
Alot is said about Ferris being the evil greedy agent. But looking at the players he represents, im not seeing any other players that go through what Marner does.

Could it be that Marner amd team dump the blame onto Ferris to protect his own image?
 
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He's been ok but if not for 88, 67, 23, and the D, 16 and 34 would be getting more heat. At some point the foot soldiers' numbers will dry up and they will need 16 34 and 91 to produce more than they have.
Marner can blame himself. Matthews and Nylander didn’t hesitate to sign. They both have NMC. Marner didn’t sign. 9 failures later change is desperately needed. He can’t block us anymore. They can offer a deal to appease the fans that he isn’t taking. No one should make more than Matthews on this team unless it’s McDavid.
 
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Alot is said about Ferris being the evil greedy agent. But looking at the players he represents, im not seeing any other players that go through what Marner does.

Could it be that Marner amd team dump the blame onto Ferris to protect his own image?

Marner's agent is paid to represent him. He earns a decent commission l'm sure, so taking the blame is no big deal.
 
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On a positive note, Sens fans are still bitter. One of them is going on about some flop Marner pulled vs. the Panthers. Given Stutzle's reputation, they might want to slow their roll.
 
And just like Hyman he is getting praised for effort and chances, not results.

32 GP
5 G
8 A
13 P

That was Hyman's production here... but he is remembered fondly because he tried.
Hyman led the league in playoff goals last season with 16 and two years before that he was second with 11. In this year’s playoffs he’s leading the league in hits. Name a Leaf who’s accomplished anything close to that for $5M. He does a lot more than try.
 
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Plan B would be to go to LA or Utah where it's a young team on the upswing. Going to Chicago, Philly, Detroit, etc. would be a mistake imo. It'll be as vicious as Toronto with less cover.
Yup. The media in Toronto is a circus, but considering how the pressers are mostly softball questions, I think he'll find those places harder to deal with and make him wish he never left home.

Apparently the betting lines say Chicago is the favorite to sign him. If that's where he ends up and they ever make the playoffs and he plays the same way, he's gonna get eaten alive.

There is no long term IMO. It is win in the next 3 years and probably suck for the following 2 to 5 years or worse. IMO signing Marner for huge dollars could all but snuff out winning anything and then becoming the SJ Sharks or Chicago Blackhawks.
This is the way I see it as well except the sucking will last more than 2-5 years. Considering how empty the cupboards are (and they'll probably be emptier still in a year or two), probably more like 5-10.
Agree, there is no long term. If Marner leaves, there is likely no win now either. Marner is part of the problem, but the core will still be over the hill Tavares, unreliable health Matthews and soft as puppy shit Nylander. I dunno if Nylander got the criticism he deserves for giving up on plays in Game 7 when it was still 0-0 to avoid getting hit.
The chances of winning are better without Marner and might actually be pretty good, I think there's a decent chance for the next year or two. If Matthews is forever not healthy then it's gonna be tough but we were pretty good this year, now imagine if we have 60 goal Matthews instead of what he was this spring, add a healthy Stolarz plus whoever we add with Marner's cap space and it could be really good!
 
Yup. The media in Toronto is a circus, but considering how the pressers are mostly softball questions, I think he'll find those places harder to deal with and make him wish he never left home.

Apparently the betting lines say Chicago is the favorite to sign him. If that's where he ends up and they ever make the playoffs and he plays the same way, he's gonna get eaten alive.


This is the way I see it as well except the sucking will last more than 2-5 years. Considering how empty the cupboards are (and they'll probably be emptier still in a year or two), probably more like 5-10.

The chances of winning are better without Marner and might actually be pretty good, I think there's a decent chance for the next year or two. If Matthews is forever not healthy then it's gonna be tough but we were pretty good this year, now imagine if we have 60 goal Matthews instead of what he was this spring, add a healthy Stolarz plus whoever we add with Marner's cap space and it could be really good!
Agree. It's definitely going to be towards 5-10 years. It took Ottawa at least 5 years to get back into the mix, and they hit on a LOT of their draft picks over the past decade.

A) Senators drafted since 2015 who have played 100+ games in the NHL (bolded still with team):
  • 2015 - Chabot, White, Daccord
  • 2017 - Formenton, Batherson
  • 2018 - Tkachuk, Bernard-Docker
  • 2019 - Pinto, Kastelic
  • 2020 - Stutzle, Sanderson, Greig, Kleven (96 games played)
B) Leafs drafted since 2015 who have played 100+ games in the NHL:
  • 2015 - Marner, Dermott
  • 2016 - Matthews, Grundstron
  • 2017 - Liljegren
  • 2018 - Sandin, Durzi, Holmberg
  • 2019 - Robertson
  • 2021 - Knies
The Senators have drafted 13 players who have played 100+ games in the NHL since 2015 versus the Leafs drafting only 10. More importantly, of the 13 players, 8 are still with the Senators versus 4 out of 10 for the Leafs.

Throw in the fact that Leafs have ZERO blue chip prospects from the 2021 - 2024 draft years other than Cowan, and the picture is very bleak. Throw in the fact that they also don't have their first rounders for the next few drafts, and you're looking at at least 3 seasons post-Matthews to restock the draft cupboards (no assets to trade other than Nylander), another 3-4 to draft them, and 2-5 years for them to materialize. That's 8-12 years lol, and assuming that you've hit on your draft picks which is a huge if given recent drafting...
 
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I also love how some are trying to change the narrative now that the Canes are getting their a**es whopped: “Hey look, others are also losing to that team! Us losing to them should now count as a win!….please?!?!?”
We missed a golden opportunity, I said it right after the series Florida played like shit although it was better than us. They are playing much better now.
 
Agree. It's definitely going to be towards 5-10 years. It took Ottawa at least 5 years to get back into the mix, and they hit on a LOT of their draft picks over the past decade.

A) Senators drafted since 2015 who have played 100+ games in the NHL (bolded still with team):
  • 2015 - Chabot, White, Daccord
  • 2017 - Formenton, Batherson
  • 2018 - Tkachuk, Bernard-Docker
  • 2019 - Pinto, Kastelic
  • 2020 - Stutzle, Sanderson, Greig, Kleven (96 games played)
B) Leafs drafted since 2015 who have played 100+ games in the NHL:
  • 2015 - Marner, Dermott
  • 2016 - Matthews, Grundstron
  • 2017 - Liljegren
  • 2018 - Sandin, Durzi, Holmberg
  • 2019 - Robertson
  • 2021 - Knies
The Senators have drafted 13 players who have played 100+ games in the NHL since 2015 versus the Leafs drafting only 10. More importantly, of the 13 players, 8 are still with the Senators versus 4 out of 10 for the Leafs.

Throw in the fact that Leafs have ZERO blue chip prospects from the 2021 - 2024 draft years other than Cowan, and the picture is very bleak. Throw in the fact that they also don't have their first rounders for the next few drafts, and you're looking at at least 3 seasons post-Matthews to restock the draft cupboards (no assets to trade other than Nylander), another 3-4 to draft them, and 2-5 years for them to materialize. That's 8-12 years lol, and assuming that you've hit on your draft picks which is a huge if given recent drafting...
Marner is still with the Leafs at the moment.
 
I think both/multiple points can be true.
  • Toronto was probably better than regular season Dallas and Edmonton.
  • Playoffs Toronto doesn't look as strong as Dallas or Edmonton based on the eye test
  • Florida will probably win the Cup this year and Toronto will have been their toughest match up. Not because Playoff Toronto was better than playoff Dallas and Edmonton, but because Florida needed serious competition to galvanize them into their current juggernaut.
My initial prediction all along was Florida in 5. Had this current iteration of Florida showed up in Game 1 versus the Leafs, I think it would have ended in 4 or 5, not 7.
Therefore, you were right.
 

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