Player Discussion Mitch Marner Part Infinity

[likecheese]

do we @ 10?

fact of the matter is he is a 50 point player who through the ages of 25-28 missed 13 games a year on average.

Is a 30+ year old bennett going to hold up better? Is his style going to go unnoticed under the bright lights in toronto? Is his style going to be even more scrutinized since our team plays the opposite of him vs florida where he fits in with ogres like tkachuk, ekblad, rodrigues, marchand, and others?

Bennett is an amazing player, but unless someone can build a time machine to take the universe back to 2021 and slap the shit out of dubas and force a trade for a 2nd to calgary, then the bennett ship has passed

He'll be in the penalty box every game and Parros will suspend him for tripping calls.

 

[Stephen]

One thing I'm going to disagree with is no PP1 time, he's still an extremely good PP producer and it would be a waste not using him on the 1st unit

Fitting him under the cap wouldn't be easy for Vegas or Florida, I have doubts Florida would want him anyway

The teams he fits best are the up and coming teams with cap space, he seems to want good capped out teams

Should be interesting where he ends up

He can be someone else's Marleau/Tavares.

 

[Kiwi]

He can be someone else's Marleau/Tavares.

He's going to be a mighty expensive one

 

[Gabriel426]

One thing I'm going to disagree with is no PP1 time, he's still an extremely good PP producer and it would be a waste not using him on the 1st unit

Fitting him under the cap wouldn't be easy for Vegas or Florida, I have doubts Florida would want him anyway

The teams he fits best are the up and coming teams with cap space, he seems to want good capped out teams

Should be interesting where he ends up

Well in my mind with those trade, there will be 5 players better suited to play PP1 than JT.

 

[Kiwi]

Well in my mind with those trade, there will be 5 players better suited to play PP1 than JT.

There won't be, his PP production is off the charts good

 

[Gabriel426]

I can really see Vegas signing MM as it fits both of them.

Vegas gets a playmaker for Eichel. MM plays on a team where he is in the Beta or even Charlie role despite his contract amount.

Win win for both sides

 

[Gabriel426]

There won't be, his PP production is off the charts good

That’s why he would be great on PP2.

For real, if he can make PP1, great. But he should not be guaranteed PP1 time

 

[Kiwi]

That’s why he would be great on PP2.

For real, if he can make PP1, great. But he should not be guaranteed PP1 time

It's a waste having him on PP2
He was easily worth his spot on PP1 last season, it's his 5v5 game that's dropped ofg

 

[Antropovsky]

 

[ashs]

Marner on the 3rd line with Easton Cowan would be fun to watch

 

[seventieslord]

Gross. How, just a week after what just happened, is he thinking, "I'd like to be teammates with those guys!"? He should hate those motherf***ers.

 

[Mr_Fun]

I don't think anyone can be certain which way this will go so question for those who think it could go either way - what are the odds he's a Leaf when the season starts?

I ask because I made a bet on it today with a friend. Not a lot of money, just a fun bet and I'm curious as to what people think.

I'd say it's about a 10% chance he returns.

I think if he came back for 9-10 million, fans could somehow accept that as it would leave us some money for an upgrade. I don't think he'd accept that amount, and I'm not even sure he'd want to be here regardless.

 

[Antropovsky]

Gross. How, just a week after what just happened, is he thinking, "I'd like to be teammates with those guys!"? He should hate those motherf***ers.

He is a Toronto Boy who wants to to see the Leafs win... if he goes to Florida he will be doing that. Unfortunately for us, Zito is much to smart of a GM. He wont touch Marner with a 13.5 foot pole.

 

[Racer88]

If Marner signs in Florida I don't want to see a single person on this board defend him no matter how big a fan of his they are. That would make it clear to me that those posters are Marner first, Leafs second. Not acceptable.

That would pretty much be the apex of cowardice on Mitch's part and would completely validate absolutely everything the anti-Marner posters have been parroting for years. I don't expect it to happen. If he thinks he's hated now he wouldn't believe how persona non grata he'd be in the entire province if he does something like that.

First off why would Florida want an overpaid poser like Marner. He is the exact opposite of what they are. They are tough skilled and committed warriors. He is anything but a warrior. No way would they ever pay him the kings ransom he is asking

 

[Racer88]

Marner on the 3rd line with Easton Cowan would be fun to watch

I don’t want to trade Cowan away just so he can play with Marner

 

[Anthrax442]

It’s ok to prefer a player but there’s no basis for stating he’s not the better player. Better goal scorer for sure.

Second part is just dumb, you have no idea what kind of person either player is.

Marner is not a better goal scorer and that is factual. He accumulates a lot of secondary assists but thats primarily because he is playing with high end scorers.

Person wise, come on. You havent watched enough interviews between them both to see which one you would prefer in a locker room?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'd say it's about a 10% chance he returns.

I think if he came back for 9-10 million, fans could somehow accept that as it would leave us some money for an upgrade. I don't think he'd accept that amount, and I'm not even sure he'd want to be here regardless.

Interesting. I think there's no chance at all he signs for less than what Nylander got, there's a very good chance that the Leafs offer him more than 12 million and there's some chance that he accepts.

I also think that there's a good chance that no contender offers him a contract, and once he starts deciding between some crappy team options and the Leafs, it's not so easy to say goodbye to his home town, the chance to be all-time points leader of the capital of the hockey world, all those endorsements etc.

 

[KAWAIlllI]

First off why would Florida want an overpaid poser like Marner. He is the exact opposite of what they are. They are tough skilled and committed warriors. He is anything but a warrior. No way would they ever pay him the kings ransom he is asking

Well ofc he’d like to go there or Vegas - two teams at which he can be that #4-5 guy that he actually is. Would be very surprised to see any of them wanting him though. Sabres, Chicago, Anaheim, Nashville etc I could see.

Edit: but he’ll end up getting 14 from the Leafs and stays. Humble as ever, hometown kid who loves to play for his childhood team.

 

[ToneDog]

Interesting. I think there's no chance at all he signs for less than what Nylander got, there's a very good chance that the Leafs offer him more than 12 million and there's some chance that he accepts.

I also think that there's a good chance that no contender offers him a contract, and once he starts deciding between some crappy team options and the Leafs, it's not so easy to say goodbye to his home town, the chance to be all-time points leader of the capital of the hockey world, all those endorsements etc.

They offered him $13.5m and he refused to negotiate. Big reason why Tre wanted to move him for Rantanen. What contender can afford and would be willing to add a $12-$13m soft, perimeter player who has zero success in games 5-7? I can see him signing in Anaheim, San Jose, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Long Island, Utah etc.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner is not a better goal scorer and that is factual. He accumulates a lot of secondary assists but thats primarily because he is playing with high end scorers.

Person wise, come on. You havent watched enough interviews between them both to see which one you would prefer in a locker room?

He's saying Nylander is the better goal scorer which is undeniable.

 

[Anthrax442]

He's saying Nylander is the better goal scorer which is undeniable.

My response was pre-coffee. I was a different person back then

 

[Gary Nylund]

They offered him $13.5m and he refused to negotiate. Big reason why Tre wanted to move him for Rantanen. What contender can afford and would be willing to add a $12-$13m soft, perimeter player who has zero success in games 5-7? I can see him signing in Anaheim, San Jose, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Long Island, Utah etc.

Was that just a rumour though? It's hard to keep track of who said what and how believable it is or isn't. If true that's really bad news and makes me hope much harder that he goes somewhere else. It's bad enough having an 11 million dollar black hole on your team in the big games but 13.5, just puke.

How the f*** is it even possible that his ego's that big?

 

[Maple Leaf]

They offered him $13.5m and he refused to negotiate. Big reason why Tre wanted to move him for Rantanen. What contender can afford and would be willing to add a $12-$13m soft, perimeter player who has zero success in games 5-7? I can see him signing in Anaheim, San Jose, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Long Island, Utah etc.

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sign him for under 10M

 

[WilliamInLondon]

They offered him $13.5m and he refused to negotiate. Big reason why Tre wanted to move him for Rantanen. What contender can afford and would be willing to add a $12-$13m soft, perimeter player who has zero success in games 5-7? I can see him signing in Anaheim, San Jose, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Long Island, Utah etc.

This makes the most sense to me. No sane contender will sign him to more than Rantanen money just by virtue of the fact that Rantanen is playing like a Hart candidate on a contending team for $12M AAV.

BUT - bubble teams that are looking to finally make a splash in the playoffs will be happy to overpay by $3M in cap money per year at a chance to improve the team in the short term and recoup that money in playoff revenue. It'd also generate a lot of splash for the organisation to land the most coveted UFA.

Utah makes the most sense in terms of being able to absorb Marner at $14M while still having money leftover to give Cooley and Doan sizeable raises. Chicago and Anaheim have over $100M in capspace next season and could throw $15M at Marner if they wanted to lol. So it's up to where Marner wants to go. If he wants to contend though, I'm highly skeptical that any of these three teams will be Cup contenders for the bulk of the 7 years if they throw $14M+ at him.

 

[WilliamInLondon]

Was that just a rumour though? It's hard to keep track of who said what and how believable it is or isn't. If true that's really bad news and makes me hope much harder that he goes somewhere else. It's bad enough having an 11 million dollar black hole on your team in the big games but 13.5, just puke.

How the f*** is it even possible that his ego's that big?

It's also pure, unadulterated greed. Like it's totally within Marner's remit to go get what's his - but it's also totally fair to call him out on putting his own personal well-being above the team's.

If there was no salary cap or a luxury taxed based system, I don't think anyone would really care if he was haggling over $12M vs. $14M and just focus on his on ice suitability.