Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[ryno23]

If Paul Marner wasn't so greedy and so insecure in his own skin he would tell his son to do the right thing.

If 16 signed a 8x10 deal with the Leafs he would win so much PR that people would forget his playoff failure. He would look like a team player giving up a mil a year to help the team get better.

80 million should be enough to live off for the rest of your life after hockey. What is another 16 million is your life going to be impacted by making 80 mil over the next 10 year vs 96 mil.

 

[Dayjobdave]

If Paul Marner wasn't so greedy and so insecure in his own skin he would tell his son to do the right thing.

If 16 signed a 8x10 deal with the Leafs he would win so much PR that people would forget his playoff failure. He would look like a team player giving up a mil a year to help the team get better.

80 million should be enough to live off for the rest of your life after hockey. What is another 16 million is your life going to be impacted by making 80 mil over the next 10 year vs 96 mil.

The reality is that if he took a discount he would end up ahead of the game because he would more than get it back in endorsements. I don't think the Marner family are wired this way. There's a fundamental sense that Mitch is mistreated and undervalued by MLSE because he doesn't get the same or more than Auston. Money, PP time, acclaim, awards, all of it.

If that's the case, it's unfixable, even though he's a great hockey player.

Look at the way Leon spoke about McDavid after the end of the final. That's how Mitch should speak about Matthews. (not that he's the best of all time, but that he's the best Leaf of all time, or even right now.)

Instead, we perceive he is seething that people aren't saying it about him.

It's too bad really.

 

[thewave]

If Paul Marner wasn't so greedy and so insecure in his own skin he would tell his son to do the right thing.

If 16 signed a 8x10 deal with the Leafs he would win so much PR that people would forget his playoff failure. He would look like a team player giving up a mil a year to help the team get better.

80 million should be enough to live off for the rest of your life after hockey. What is another 16 million is your life going to be impacted by making 80 mil over the next 10 year vs 96 mil.

Yeah but think about the Family foundation. They are using all the tax strategies and everyone is getting paid. He is the most calculated star ever.

Its choreographed.

 

[ToneDog]

The reality is that if he took a discount he would end up ahead of the game because he would more than get it back in endorsements. I don't think the Marner family are wired this way. There's a fundamental sense that Mitch is mistreated and undervalued by MLSE because he doesn't get the same or more than Auston. Money, PP time, acclaim, awards, all of it.

If that's the case, it's unfixable, even though he's a great hockey player.

Look at the way Leon spoke about McDavid after the end of the final. That's how Mitch should speak about Matthews. (not that he's the best of all time, but that he's the best Leaf of all time, or even right now.)

Instead, we perceive he is seething that people aren't saying it about him.

It's too bad really.

If that is the case, why wait another year to move. Waive and leave next week.

 

[mikeyz]

Now it's Marners fault they have no fans in Florida. How long before he single handedly destroys the league?

Lol. Well, if he keeps up his pitiful playoff performances he will be the reason fans turn on teams that he is on. Lol.

 

[hullsy47]

If Paul Marner wasn't so greedy and so insecure in his own skin he would tell his son to do the right thing.

If 16 signed a 8x10 deal with the Leafs he would win so much PR that people would forget his playoff failure. He would look like a team player giving up a mil a year to help the team get better.

80 million should be enough to live off for the rest of your life after hockey. What is another 16 million is your life going to be impacted by making 80 mil over the next 10 year vs 96 mil.

Plus the 60 million he already made lol

 

[notDatsyuk]

The contract was structured for both purposes. Even at the time those deals were signed, it was discussed by fans and those in the media that yes the deals give players more money up front, but the back end of the deals make it easier to trade those contracts.

I don’t understand how loudest people know shit all about contracts.

Fans care about 1 thing - salary cap hit

Teams worry about two things, 1. Salary cap hit and 2. Real money salary they have to pay. Teams have internal budgets that have nothing to do with the salary cap that they have to be mindful of, which is why real money matters. For example a team like Ottawa will now be in on a guy like Marner because he is costs so little in real money.

To answer your question, the leafs would never put that pressure on a team.. it’s unrealistic. 7.5 is chump change to the leafs. They are using that feature in the contract as a negotiation tactic to help facilitate the deal, why would they then be apply unnecessary pressure to a team when they are happy to pay the bonus?

Right - an NTC makes it easier to trade.

I don't understand how loudest people know shit about contracts.

But again, that wasn't the point. The person I was originally responding to said that another team would only trade for Marner after July 1, because of the $7M difference. That extra $7M is nice, but I don't think that not getting it would completely ruin negotiations.

 

[ToneDog]

Right - an NTC makes it easier to trade.

I don't understand how loudest people know shit about contracts.

But again, that wasn't the point. The person I was originally responding to said that another team would only trade for Marner after July 1, because of the $7M difference. That extra $7M is nice, but I don't think that not getting it would completely ruin negotiations.

Ship has sailed with only a couple of days to July 1 but you are right, a GM in love with Marner would pay the SB but I am guessing the return would not be as good. Better for Leafs to pay it and get a better return.

 

[francis246]

Right - an NTC makes it easier to trade.

I don't understand how loudest people know shit about contracts.

But again, that wasn't the point. The person I was originally responding to said that another team would only trade for Marner after July 1, because of the $7M difference. That extra $7M is nice, but I don't think that not getting it would completely ruin negotiations.

Literally every player in the NHL has an NMC or some sort of trade protection. Ullmark had trade protection and was still moved. A trade protection is there to give the player more say in where they are moved. But NMC’s don’t function like they used to, more and more we are seeing players with protection moved. They just dictate where they go.

 

[francis246]

Right - an NTC makes it easier to trade.

I don't understand how loudest people know shit about contracts.

But again, that wasn't the point. The person I was originally responding to said that another team would only trade for Marner after July 1, because of the $7M difference. That extra $7M is nice, but I don't think that not getting it would completely ruin negotiations.

To your second point, I’m sure GM’s don’t mind it. But it’s not their money. It’s the owners money and I don’t think there is a single owner that would willingly agree to pay it before July 1st when there is ZERO incentive to do it. So I don’t think GM’s would get the owners approval to make the deal. If it was up to GM’s alone I think there are some that would eat it to get it done.

 

[REALTALK81]

I think the Leafs are going to give him a raise and things will continue as they always have in Leaf land.

 

[notbias]

If Paul Marner wasn't so greedy and so insecure in his own skin he would tell his son to do the right thing.

If 16 signed a 8x10 deal with the Leafs he would win so much PR that people would forget his playoff failure. He would look like a team player giving up a mil a year to help the team get better.

80 million should be enough to live off for the rest of your life after hockey. What is another 16 million is your life going to be impacted by making 80 mil over the next 10 year vs 96 mil.

Why don't you take less at your job so they can put the money towards another HR rep? It'll help the company.

Just because they have an extra $2 million to spend, doesn't mean they win anything.

They could sign a whole Gregor + Reaves more, or half a Klingberg.

 

[ACC1224]

Pretty funny that people still hold the idiotic belief that his father is going to have anything to do with his next contract or whether he decides to leave.
People really do need to get new material.

 

[thewave]

Pretty funny that people still hold the idiotic belief that his father is going to have anything to do with his next contract or whether he decides to leave.
People really do need to get new material.

Just watch the documentary or mini specials on the Marners. Very obviously pushed by the old man who worked every angle, networked and researched it all. He is good player but absolutely comes off as a puppy mill type product. A freaking foundation that is allegedly full of Family. What a freaking grift, would love to see the data of what % of the funds raised make it to the target after paying family members for their...services lol

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pretty funny that people still hold the idiotic belief that his father is going to have anything to do with his next contract or whether he decides to leave.
People really do need to get new material.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

You don't think his father has been and is intimately involved in every contract negotiation Marner's ever had? Holy smokes, how naive can you be?

Seems like you really have no idea what's going on so maybe you should stick to making sarcastic posts about how dumb everyone is (everyone except you of course). LOL again.

 

[francis246]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

You don't think his father has been and is intimately involved in every contract negotiation Marner's ever had? Holy smokes, how naive can you be?

Seems like you really have no idea what's going on so maybe you should stick to making sarcastic posts about how dumb everyone is (everyone except you of course). LOL again.

Maybe on the ELC one yes, but everything after that no. I don’t think Paul Marner is involved in any meetings. The only he’s probably doing is talking to Mitch himself and maybe telling him to get more money. But it’s kinda dumb to assume he’s talking to Pridham, Ferris or Treliving lol. I think that’s really far fetched and ridiculous.

Just watch the documentary or mini specials on the Marners. Very obviously pushed by the old man who worked every angle, networked and researched it all. He is good player but absolutely comes off as a puppy mill type product. A freaking foundation that is allegedly full of Family. What a freaking grift, would love to see the data of what % of the funds raised make it to the target after paying family members for their...services lol

To shit on someone’s foundation that has done a lot of work in our city is kinda shameful and is hate on another level. Whatever you think of him as a player is fair, but at least he’s made a foundation that supports our community with various initiatives and Marner always shows up. I don’t see 34 doing anything like that.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Maybe on the ELC one yes, but everything after that no. I don’t think Paul Marner is involved in any meetings. The only he’s probably doing is talking to Mitch himself and maybe telling him to get more money. But it’s kinda dumb to assume he’s talking to Pridham, Ferris or Treliving lol. I think that’s really far fetched and ridiculous.

You don't think talking to son makes him involved? Come on now.

 

[francis246]

You don't think talking to son makes him involved? Come on now.

I never said it doesn’t. But I don’t think it’s to the degree you’re portraying it as. I think he probably tells Mitch to get as much money as he can.

But like I said, I don’t think he’s sitting in the meetings or on the phone with Darren Ferris and Brad Treliving moving and shaking deals lol.

My understanding is Paul is very vocal to Mitch, possibly is in Mitch’s ear and maybe leaks stuff to the media, that’s about it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I never said it doesn’t. But I don’t think it’s to the degree you’re portraying it as. I think he probably tells Mitch to get as much money as he can.

But like I said, I don’t think he’s sitting in the meetings or on the phone with Darren Ferris and Brad Treliving moving and shaking deals lol.

My understanding is Paul is very vocal to Mitch, possibly is in Mitch’s ear and maybe leaks stuff to the media, that’s about it.

I'm not "portraying" anything, what are you talking about? Maybe you should read my posts again, I never said anything about to what degree Paul is involved but he's involved, that much should be obvious to anyone who's been paying attention.

The post I was responding to said it was idiotic to think his father "had anything to do with his next contract".

As you said yourself, Paul is "very vocal to Mitch", that along with leaking stuff to the media makes him involved, period.

Paul's involvement in every aspect of Mitch's career is well known. The idea that he's not involved is ridiculous.

 

[bax]

You know what I have learned after 326 pages of this thread?
2 things
1- Dubas was awesome and could do no wrong
2- Marner is beyond awesome and we should give him whatever he wants because we certainly wouldn’t survive as a team, we would go right back to what we were 10 years ago.
Yet we keep on losing…….must be simply bad luck or the lower paid guys fault

You must have an absolute ton of posters on ignore lol

 

[ACC1224]

Maybe on the ELC one yes, but everything after that no. I don’t think Paul Marner is involved in any meetings. The only he’s probably doing is talking to Mitch himself and maybe telling him to get more money. But it’s kinda dumb to assume he’s talking to Pridham, Ferris or Treliving lol. I think that’s really far fetched and ridiculous.



To shit on someone’s foundation that has done a lot of work in our city is kinda shameful and is hate on another level. Whatever you think of him as a player is fair, but at least he’s made a foundation that supports our community with various initiatives and Marner always shows up. I don’t see 34 doing anything like that.

Some need help, disgusting some of the stuff that is being said with zero proof. It really says a lot about the ones posting it, they really need help.

Marner will decide his fate first with his wife, then with his agent. His father has had very little influence for a long time now, he stepped back years ago.

 

[thewave]

Maybe on the ELC one yes, but everything after that no. I don’t think Paul Marner is involved in any meetings. The only he’s probably doing is talking to Mitch himself and maybe telling him to get more money. But it’s kinda dumb to assume he’s talking to Pridham, Ferris or Treliving lol. I think that’s really far fetched and ridiculous.



To shit on someone’s foundation that has done a lot of work in our city is kinda shameful and is hate on another level. Whatever you think of him as a player is fair, but at least he’s made a foundation that supports our community with various initiatives and Marner always shows up. I don’t see 34 doing anything like that.

Please direct me to the financial data. I would like to investigate where the money is spent. It should be public data. Bono of U2 fame had a great foundation. The One foundation... Where just over 1% was making it to the target.

Even if 50% makes it to target. Total grift.

Thank you.

 

[francis246]

I'm not "portraying" anything, what are you talking about? Maybe you should read my posts again, I never said anything about to what degree Paul is involved but he's involved, that much should be obvious to anyone who's been paying attention.

The post I was responding to said it was idiotic to think his father "had anything to do with his next contract".

As you said yourself, Paul is "very vocal to Mitch", that along with leaking stuff to the media makes him involved, period.

Paul's involvement in every aspect of Mitch's career is well known. The idea that he's not involved is ridiculous.

You said word for word and I quote, "You don't think his father has been and is intimately involved in every contract negotiation Marner's ever had?"

that seems like you are pretty directly saying what degree paul is involved in.

 

[nuck]

If Michael Nylander wasn't so greedy and so insecure in his own skin he would have told his son to do the right thing.

If 88 had signed a 8x10 deal with the Leafs he would have won so much PR that people would forget his playoff failures. He would look like a team player giving up $0 a year to help the team get better.

80 million should be enough to live off for the rest of your life after hockey. What is another 16 million is your life going to be impacted by making 80 mil over the next 10 year vs 96 mil?

Fixed. Its never enough money no matter who your parents are.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You said word for word and I quote, "You don't think his father has been and is intimately involved in every contract negotiation Marner's ever had?"

that seems like you are saying what degree paul is involved in.

Yeah well, talking to his son on a daily basis for his entire life seems pretty intimate to me. And many have portrayed the relationship as one where Paul is the one calling the shots, is there reason to doubt them? Because if those people are right then he's more than just involved, he's basically the puppet master.

Edit - note that the OP didn't specify level of involvement, he just said anyone who thinks Paul is involved is an idiot. Do you agree with that assessment?