Salary Cap: Mitch Marner Contract Discussion Part VII | The Saga Continues

[Clark4Ever]

Lol even other guys in the media are calling Dreger out for his shilling during this Marner negotiation

Dreger's credibility continues to decline with every passing year.

 

[Coatsy79]

Friedman says he doesn't think Marner and Marner's camp were happy with Dubas' comments about not automatically matching an offer sheet.

CJ says Marner's camp does felt slighted about the bonuses on the ELC stuff with Lou, and the lack of ice time in his first year. CJ says on some level, this is what is driving the Marner's camp hard negotiation

He's coming across as a real entitled prick at the moment

 

[Clark4Ever]

as he should, he very clearly is doing the public negotiations for the marner camp. I think paul and co thought mitch was more loved by leaf fans than he is, and tey thought the outrage would be putting so much pressure on dubas. From what I see it doesn't appear to be working

Yes, and rightfully so. Of the big 3, who would have thought that the hometown kid would be the one to hold management's feet to the fire the most.

No one expects Mitch to take a hometown discount (heaven forbid, right?), but at least be willing to accept fair market value based on reasonable comparables.

 

[Walshy7]

Maybe he’s mad we chose Dubas over Hunter.

you can see a clear trend between the posters saying "pay him he is the best" and them also being very anti dubas/pro hunter type posters.

 

[LeafSteel]

How do I know Mitch has screwed himself in Toronto?

My 9 year old was undecided on whether he wanted a Marner, Matthews, or Tavares jersey. He now wants either a Matthews or Tavares jersey.

Mitch, you could have been one of the most beloved Leafs ever but I think that ship is sinking.

My suggestion is you and your family move to where ever you get traded to, as I don’t think you or your dad will enjoy being in Toronto or walking the streets here anymore.

Delusional, self-absorbed snot nose ingrates.

Monday brings out the best in me.

 

[The Magic Man]

How do I know Mitch has screwed himself in Toronto?

My 9 year old was undecided on whether he wanted a Marner, Matthews, or Tavares jersey. He now wants either a Matthews or Tavares jersey.

Mitch, you could have been one of the most beloved Leafs ever but I think that ship is sinking.

My suggestion is you and your family move to where ever you get traded to, as I don’t think you or your dad will enjoy being in Toronto or walking the streets here anymore.

Delusional, self-absorbed snot nose ingrates.

Monday brings out the best in me.

Had to unlike it as I don't see the need to trash talk him. It's his right to set what he believes will be his value. I don't have a problem with that. He will easily get 10-11 or even more if he wants it. Especially if he was a free agent. But if he wants to remain a Leaf he has to understand he has to fit in. We can win without him. But we can't win without top teir D and Centers. We can easily trade him for other more pressing needs.

Personally I would've moved on by now. Which is sad, because like yourself, I have an 11 year old that feels the same as your son.

 

[Menzinger]

Friedman says he doesn't think Marner and Marner's camp were happy with Dubas' comments about not automatically matching an offer sheet.

CJ says Marner's camp does felt slighted about the bonuses on the ELC stuff with Lou, and the lack of ice time in his first year. CJ says on some level, this is what is driving the Marner's camp hard negotiation

Its unfortunately seemingly been building for some time. Glancing at bits here and there from different media comments from the agent and father they seem to have a fairly long list of grievances lol.

But if you dont want to hear comments like that from the GM, dont have shills like Dreger claim you're seeking out offersheets. Cant have your cake and eat it too.

Matthews and Nylanders agents didnt play public games like this, which protected their clients from some of this scrutiny.

 

[93LEAFS]

Its unfortunately seemingly been building for some time. Glancing at bits here and there from different media comments from the agent and father they seem to have a fairly long list of grievances lol.

But if you dont want to hear comments like that from the GM, dont have shills like Dreger claim you're seeking out offersheets. Cant have your cake and eat it too.

Matthews and Nylanders agents didnt play public games like this, which protected their clients from some of this scrutiny.

Matthews agent never had a reason to get into a big dispute. Dubas gave him the best deal a first time eligible RFA has gotten in recent years. He got ideal term and was made the second highest paid player in the league.

 

[glue]

Matthews agent never had a reason to get into a big dispute. Dubas gave him the best deal a first time eligible RFA has gotten in recent years. He got ideal term and was made the second highest paid player in the league.

Though that’s true, no guarantee his agent would have done the same thing.

I’m ultimately not a fan of the Nylander deal but can live with it, Matthews is far worse when considering term. Dubas needs to get the Marner one right.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Matthews agent never had a reason to get into a big dispute. Dubas gave him the best deal a first time eligible RFA has gotten in recent years. He got ideal term and was made the second highest paid player in the league.

That's the end result. Who knows how the process looked, or whether there were some grievances along the way. All we know is that if there were some, Matthews' camp kept silent about them. Meanwhile, Marner's camp has made things very public, and their grievances look petty at best as things stand.

 

[GrunbeldDragonKnight]

Fake news everywhere... Especially in sports journalism. This talk of an offer sheet is hogwash. Nothing more than to get the people talking and the 'insiders' more clicks. Do people understand the ramifications of attempting to offer sheet a player on one of the strongest financial teams in the league? The NHL has a socialist business model. Babcock said it himself when Vegas entered the league. Teams aren't rivals, they are business partners, and its best to avoid embarassing your business partners. Wish we had a European soccer model where the top teams don't give a shit about the small teams, unfortunately you will never get a free market capitalist league because of Herr Bettman.

 

[613Leafer]

Dreger's credibility continues to decline with every passing year.

I think Dreger was pretty instrumental in Nylander sitting out and Matthews getting ~11.6M. When guys like Ehlers, Larkin, etc were signing around 6M, Dreger was talking about Nylander at 7M. With Matthews, he spent the last year+ talking about how he'd get McDavid $$ or even more. But based on what? I know we all love Matthews, but he is NOT on the same level as McDavid, and one year of salary cap growth doesn't remotely cover the difference.

 

[ACC1224]

That's the end result. Who knows how the process looked, or whether there were some grievances along the way. All we know is that if there were some, Matthews' camp kept silent about them. Meanwhile, Marner's camp has made things very public, and their grievances look petty at best as things stand.

Wonder why they would make things public that makes them look bad?

 

[thewave]

Matthews agent never had a reason to get into a big dispute. Dubas gave him the best deal a first time eligible RFA has gotten in recent years. He got ideal term and was made the second highest paid player in the league.

Kyle will have a great career at Newport after he is done GMing in a year or two.

 

[93LEAFS]

That's the end result. Who knows how the process looked, or whether there were some grievances along the way. All we know is that if there were some, Matthews' camp kept silent about them. Meanwhile, Marner's camp has made things very public, and their grievances look petty at best as things stand.

It never got that contentious or anywhere close. If they were willing to completely re-set the market for Matthews, which they did, it was unlikely it was ever going to get that heated. Especially because it happened mid-season and those types of negotiations don't happen mid-year in that type of manner, because the client has to answer to the media daily. I don't like what the Marner camp is doing, but its pretty much built up to be this way because the family/advisors have a permanent chip on their shoulder from when he was overlooked as a young player due to size, then there were the bonuses which they then caved on the next year with Matthews, which built resentment in his camp.

 

[Nithoniniel]

Wonder why they would make things public that makes them look bad?

That's a side effect, no? The purpose is to put pressure on the Leafs to get a deal done before things get taken out of their hands.

 

[yubbers]

And if he can't see that he is a winger, and not a goal scorer, and he wants more than his comparables by a considerable amount without earning anything, AND that the team doesn't have the space to accommodate him, and STILL wants to do it he can **** off elsewhere.

Just trade him Dubas. Tired of this BS. Just get a top 4 RD ++ for him and re-sign Gardiner.

Agreed and good good no.

Why does anyone want more Jake? Do we need any further evidence he can't handle pressure? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here

 

[Mess]

10M x 8 years

If his projected value on an 8 year deal is approx 9.6ishM that is 400k overpayment per year, he gets 3.2M so he got his money back + interest.

Marner appears to be asking for something close to the Matthews deal both in $$ and term.

The $10 M X 8 doesn't seem to interest him as its too low $$ and 3 X UFA years too many years in length.

 

[WTFMAN99]

It never got that contentious or anywhere close. If they were willing to completely re-set the market for Matthews, which they did, it was unlikely it was ever going to get that heated. Especially because it happened mid-season and those types of negotiations don't happen mid-year in that type of manner, because the client has to answer to the media daily. I don't like what the Marner camp is doing, but its pretty much built up to be this way because the family/advisors have a permanent chip on their shoulder from when he was overlooked as a young player due to size, then there were the bonuses which they then caved on the next year with Matthews, which built resentment in his camp.

I think what is hurting Marner as well is he waited to be last, a lot of stuff was based around an 83M cap projection and now it is 81.5M.

I think he and his agent misread some stuff.

Marner appears to be asking for something close to the Matthews deal both in $$ and term.

The $10 M X 8 doesn't seem to interest him as its too low $$ and 3 X UFA years too many years in length.

Then he can sit

 

[4thline]

Matthews agent never had a reason to get into a big dispute. Dubas gave him the best deal a first time eligible RFA has gotten in recent years. He got ideal term and was made the second highest paid player in the league.

Matthews agent was able to speak softly because he knew he was carrying a big stick in negotiations.

The Marner camp has made it clear that they think they are carrying the same, and have bet on the market to back them up.

All we can hope is that they're big enough people to accept the market's decision.

 

[ACC1224]

That's a side effect, no? The purpose is to put pressure on the Leafs to get a deal done before things get taken out of their hands.

How is this putting pressure on the Leafs?

 

[93LEAFS]

Wonder why they would make things public that makes them look bad?

Both sides have been leaking heavily to the media. Paul hasn't met someone yet he won't air his grievances too, and Dubas kept on leaking low numbers he expected to sign people at to Mirtle.

 

[yubbers]

And if he can't see that he is a winger, and not a goal scorer, and he wants more than his comparables by a considerable amount without earning anything, AND that the team doesn't have the space to accommodate him, and STILL wants to do it he can **** off elsewhere.

Just trade him Dubas. Tired of this BS. Just get a top 4 RD ++ for him and re-sign Gardiner.

Agreed and good god no.

Why does anyone want more Jake? Do we need any further evidence he can't handle pressure? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here

We are all Paul Marner, search your heart, you know Mitch deserves this.

Why does he deserve being catered to? Cause he's a fun local guy that rode JTs coat tails to a 90 point season? He's a 60-70 point winger lucky enough to play with elite talent. That's not a slight on him..... He's great. But not 10 million great.

He deserves what we tell him he deserves. If he doesn't like it.... Buh bye

 

[ACC1224]

Both sides have been leaking heavily to the media. Paul hasn't met someone yet he won't air his grievances too, and Dubas kept on leaking low numbers he expected to sign people at to Mirtle.

yes, I doubt things are as one sided as some believe.

 

[Mess]

Matthews agent never had a reason to get into a big dispute. Dubas gave him the best deal a first time eligible RFA has gotten in recent years. He got ideal term and was made the second highest paid player in the league.

Matthews has positioned himself to be a 26 year old UFA and heading back to the trough to feed on his 3rd contract in just 5 years.

Trying to get Marner on an 8 year term is going to be a real sticking point based on what Matthews just got, and that being the contract Marner seems to using as his reference.