Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[leafs in five]

What were you calling cringe? Or was the point of the you posting the video to highlight McCabes incredible play?

wave said our Mitch's play was cringe level outside the 2 assists but this play was from the first period. the second threaded tape to tape pass in the sequence that's been clipped is his (Marner's).

 

[Antropovsky]

he took a hit to make a nice simple play that opened up a lane, I personally do not need every play to be flashy glitz and glamour but hey we're all different

I'm not sure the NHL would classify that as a hit lol. A bump?

 

[Antropovsky]

wave said our Mitch's play was cringe level outside the 2 assists but this play was from the first period. the second threaded tape to tape pass in the sequence that's been clipped is his (Marner's).

I see the play McCabe made immediately before the pass as more impressive, and it was by a 2 million dollar defenseman. Knocks down clearing attempt, and makes a split second no look tape to tape to Marner.

If a 2 million dollar defenseman makes that, why are we jumping up and down over Marner with more space than McCabe making the cross pass?

Or how about 3.75 million Domi's pass on goal 1, very impressive.. forechecks, steals puck, picks up loose puck next to opponents net and with back to slot, pivots, sauces It by two Jersey players to Nylander in the slot.

 

[leafs in five]

If a 2 million dollar defenseman makes that, why are we jumping up and down over Marner with more space than McCabe making the cross pass?

who is we? I don't think anyone else in the world processes events in Leafs hockey games like you do

 

[Antropovsky]

who is we? I don't think anyone else in the world processes events in Leafs hockey games like you do

Who is we? You literally said "we" twice just a couple of posts ago.

McCabe only counts for 2m against our cap, get your facts straight sir forensic points investigator

we love quickly threading tape to tape passes don't we folks

Lol, you're criticizing others for the exact same thing you just did.

I don't have time for this level of hypocrisy.

 

[ACC1224]

Incredible accomplishment but safe to say it'll be short lived. Matthews will break the record before the season is over.

 

[thusk]

You are criticizing others meanwhile your crediting Marner with plays that Nylander made?

crediting Marner for what Nylander did???

On Matthews pp goal, Marner just waiting to see something and mcmann coming closer. It's what making possible a great shot from Nylander with a free shooting lane. Nothing sexy but If Marner don't do that pass before to mcmann before sending it to Nylander, it would result in a easy blocked shot from nylander at best. The small little play to mcmann is what opening the ice for his teammate. Marner/Mcmann made it possible and Nylander/Matthews helped to convert it.

2nd matthews goal, just took a hit to create space for Matthews with a incredible finish by Matthews. Again nothing spectacular, just a basic play who just accept the hit

ot goal, just wait to give a chance to his teammate to make a change and saw NJ trying to make a change too, so they attacked it. Nylander just jump on the ice and was already on breakaway. Marner made this possible possible and Nylander converted it, both deserved credit.

Its not crediting marner for what Nylander did, its crediting Marner to made it possible.

 

[Antropovsky]

crediting Marner for what Nylander did???

On Matthews pp goal, Marner just waiting to see something and mcmann coming closer. It's what making possible a great shot from Nylander with a free shooting lane. Nothing sexy but If Marner don't do that pass before to mcmann before sending it to Nylander, it would result in a easy blocked shot from nylander at best. The small little play to mcmann is what opening the ice for his teammate. Marner/Mcmann made it possible and Nylander/Matthews helped to convert it.

2nd matthews goal, just took a hit to create space for Matthews with a incredible finish by Matthews. Again nothing spectacular, just a basic play who just accept the hit

ot goal, just wait to give a chance to his teammate to make a change and saw NJ trying to make a change too, so they attacked it. Nylander just jump on the ice and was already on breakaway. Marner made this possible possible and Nylander converted it, both deserved credit.

Its not crediting marner for what Nylander did, its crediting Marner to made it possible.

I appreciate the breakdown. Just to clarify the poster i was responding to in that post said Marner took the shot, creating the rebound allowing Matthews to score when it was actually Nylander.

Also, im not sure id call that a hit, a bump? The Jersey player wasnt skating with any speed, there wasnt a risk of a big hit at all. Its a simple, typical, drop pass when entering zone. Not fancy and not uncommon.

 

[GoonieFace]

crediting Marner for what Nylander did???

On Matthews pp goal, Marner just waiting to see something and mcmann coming closer. It's what making possible a great shot from Nylander with a free shooting lane. Nothing sexy but If Marner don't do that pass before to mcmann before sending it to Nylander, it would result in a easy blocked shot from nylander at best. The small little play to mcmann is what opening the ice for his teammate. Marner/Mcmann made it possible and Nylander/Matthews helped to convert it.

2nd matthews goal, just took a hit to create space for Matthews with a incredible finish by Matthews. Again nothing spectacular, just a basic play who just accept the hit

ot goal, just wait to give a chance to his teammate to make a change and saw NJ trying to make a change too, so they attacked it. Nylander just jump on the ice and was already on breakaway. Marner made this possible possible and Nylander converted it, both deserved credit.

Its not crediting marner for what Nylander did, its crediting Marner to made it possible.

Marner making a pass on the power play is not some earth shattering event, but it seems like anything he does is some sort of elite magic. There were probably 75 passes on the PP between both teams last night.

The 3 on 3 fiasco hockey play was like being in practice. No one on the ice and making a blue line to blue line pass, literally anyone can make that pass. Their line didn’t touch the puck in OT before that play by the way.

 

[Stephen]

Marner making a pass on the power play is not some earth shattering event, but it seems like anything he does is some sort of elite magic. There were probably 75 passes on the PP between both teams last night.

The 3 on 3 fiasco hockey play was like being in practice. No one on the ice and making a blue line to blue line pass, literally anyone can make that pass. Their line didn’t touch the puck in OT before that play by the way.

There are times when we are all really dissatisfied with the play of our core guys, I’m the first to be completely sick of their ways… but micro-discrediting Marner when things are working out just seems a little beyond…

A big part of Marner’s game is the shifty, unexpected little thing that opens it up offensively. He saw an opening and made a clean stretch pass that led to the winner that NJ couldn’t defend. There can’t be any criticism there, he wasn’t required to do anything else.

 

[Mugzy97]

Marner has been playing at an extremely elite level this year. It’s fun to watch. He’s our best player most nights.

 

[ACC1224]

Marner has been playing at an extremely elite level this year. It’s fun to watch. He’s our best player most nights.

Yep, you hate to see it.

 

[GoonieFace]

There are times when we are all really dissatisfied with the play of our core guys, I’m the first to be completely sick of their ways… but micro-discrediting Marner when things are working out just seems a little beyond…

A big part of Marner’s game is the shifty, unexpected little thing that opens it up offensively. He saw an opening and made a clean stretch pass that led to the winner that NJ couldn’t defend. There can’t be any criticism there, he wasn’t required to do anything else.

I’m not criticizing the play, but people are acting like it was something special, which some do for every single thing he does. He sucked for 2 and half periods last night, but had 3 or 4 really good shifts after that. Just needs to bring that intensity in the postseason

 

[francis246]

I’m not criticizing the play, but people are acting like it was something special, which some do for every single thing he does. He sucked for 2 and half periods last night, but had 3 or 4 really good shifts after that. Just needs to bring that intensity in the postseason

Lmao no one called it special or even hyped it up. I don’t think you can quote a post in the last 12 hours calling it special. And pretty much everyone agreed he wasn’t amazing last night. To end off the third period he was stellar with Matthews. Seems like a lot of projection.

 

[Gabriel426]

Yeah, there's always seems to be a few that take this stuff way too seriously in that they're under the delusion that the player would want the same emotional connection with them as they do the player. Right off the bat I'm reminded of the Robbie Alomar stuff a few years back.

Myself? I've only ever cheered for the crest. When a favorite player gets traded, I rarely pay much attention to how they're doing on their new team.

Agree. Quite ironic that pretty much every Leafs fans want the players to play for the logo in the front and not the name in the back and yet they will defend some player to the depth of the ocean, lol.

 

[ACC1224]

Lmao no one called it special or even hyped it up. I don’t think you can quote a post in the last 12 hours calling it special. And pretty much everyone agreed he wasn’t amazing last night. To end off the third period he was stellar with Matthews. Seems like a lot of projection.

Just the usual low calorie points, up to 701 now.
He was pretty far from the net though on both goals, you hate to see it.

Agree. Quite ironic that pretty much every Leafs fans want the players to play for the logo in the front and not the name in the back and yet they will defend some player to the depth of the ocean, lol.

I don't think people defend the player, they fight back against the stupidity brought against the player.

 

[francis246]

Yeah, there's always seems to be a few that take this stuff way too seriously in that they're under the delusion that the player would want the same emotional connection with them as they do the player. Right off the bat I'm reminded of the Robbie Alomar stuff a few years back.

Myself? I've only ever cheered for the crest. When a favorite player gets traded, I rarely pay much attention to how they're doing on their new team.

Both kadri and Kessel were my absolute favourite players the moment each were traded, immediately stopped caring. If Mitch leaves it would be the same thing. I would not be cheering him on to win a cup somewhere else. But you’re damn right I’m gonna appreciate him as a leaf.

 

[thusk]

Marner making a pass on the power play is not some earth shattering event, but it seems like anything he does is some sort of elite magic. There were probably 75 passes on the PP between both teams last night.

The 3 on 3 fiasco hockey play was like being in practice. No one on the ice and making a blue line to blue line pass, literally anyone can make that pass. Their line didn’t touch the puck in OT before that play by the way.

Itd not about doing anything special, Crosby 90-95% of what hes doing on the ice are not spectacular but he still one of best player of all time because he's doing all the small stuff shift after shift and pretty consistent in everything hes doing on the ice. You don't need to be magic on every play to be a pretty great player.

Sometime you making a great play but sometime you just making what needed and its the same with everybody.

I will take exemple of Nylander because its happenong. last night... 1st goal was great. His pp assist he just did what he had to do and in OT when he just jumped on the ice and was already on breakaway, he did nothing special just what he should do.

Same as Matthews, his 1st goal on pp he just did what he should nothing spectacular but his second was a amaizing shot.

 

[Gabriel426]

Itd not about doing anything special, Crosby 90-95% of what hes doing on the ice are not spectacular but he still one of best player of all time because he's doing all the small stuff shift after shift and pretty consistent in everything hes doing on the ice. You don't need to be magic on every play to be a pretty great player.

Sometime you making a great play but sometime you just making what needed and its the same with everybody.

I will take exemple of Nylander because its happenong. last night... 1st goal was great. His pp assist he just did what he had to do and in OT when he just jumped on the ice and was already on breakaway, he did nothing special just what he should do.

Same as Matthews, his 1st goal on pp he just did what he should nothing spectacular but his second was a amaizing shot.

Agree.

It is not about making highlight of the night play but rather playing a mistake free and consistent game while producing. Sid and Ovie are prime examples. Sid is the better player while Ovie is more flashy. Would take Sid over Ovie any day but that’s not a diss to Ovie, just that Sid is better.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Are people really raving about Marner fumbling a puck (on a bad pass), passing someone that passed another guy, who shot at the net which lead to a goal? If this is how you view his every action?..

 

[Aashir]

If he’s getting hate after last game than Matthews and nylander should be as well. And at that point it just seems too much to hate after a win, i love hating after a loss, but not a win tbh.

He was alright, made plays when we needed, as did the other three.

Last games best player was McCabe.

 

[thusk]

Are people really raving about Marner fumbling a puck (on a bad pass), passing someone that passed another guy, who shot at the net which lead to a goal? If this is how you view his every action?..

like over 80-95% of pp are result of multiple consecutive play.

Shooting from distance alone without shooting lane will result in anything
screen without anything else doesn't would create anything.
Scored on rebound is impossible if you dont get any rebound.
moving the puck fast between 2-3-4 player alone doesn't bring anything alone.

BUT Do all those thing together and you will create something

 

[Hallonbroder]

like over 80-95% of pp are result of multiple consecutive play.

Shooting from distance alone without shooting lane will result in anything
screen without anything else doesn't would create anything.
Scored on rebound is impossible if you dont get any rebound.
moving the puck fast between 2-3-4 player alone doesn't bring anything alone.

BUT Do all those thing together and you will create something

So I guess we should credit everyone on that PP, as well as the players on the bench, for every PP goal. Everyone should get a goal or assist

 

[Antropovsky]

The issue is that some posters don’t keep that same energy for other players and it’s evident by the amount of Marner threads there are. There’s been 3 threads for Marner in the last 4 months. No other player has had that many threads. Nylander hasn’t scored in 5 or 6, no one is in the Nylander thread making a stink about it. But if Marner was to be on a 5 game goal drought. You’d have some posters coming in here and saying, what a waste of 11 million of whatever. The criticism isn’t evenly distributed on this board for the top players no matter how much people try and lie and say that it is.

Whether people feel that’s Marner’s fault cause of the last negotiation is a different convo. But we need to stop pretending like he doesn’t get 5x more shit than Nylander, Matthews, Tavares and even Rielly.

There is good reason, he has underachieved the most of them all in the playoffs, his last contract was the most dramatic and he is now up for a new contract. Hes also had the most spectacular slumps, like 100 consecutive games without a PP goal, and 18 consecutive playoff games without a goal. Hes also has the worst attitude towards media and worst quotes. The criticism is anythi g but undeserving.

Nylander wouldve surely gotten the same attention on his last contract had he not been making 55% less than Marner. Most of the posters in here defending Marner were the most vocally against Nylander the past few years despite his contract being much less than Marners. Imagine those same posters posts if Nylander were making 55% more!!

Not to mention, the posters who complain about the amount of Marner threads are literally the ones pumping the post count up the most in these Marner threads lol.

 

[DarkKnight]

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Incredible accomplishment but safe to say it'll be short lived. Matthews will break the record before the season is over.

I read he's 8th to get there fastest amongst active players.