Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Gary Nylund]

25 minute mark:

Thanks, watching it now. It seems like it's not possible to listen to Marner say how they played well without laughing.

O'Dog says says Marner doesn't ever have a game where he really stinks, Hayes immediately says "well Carolina wasn't good".

LOLOLOLOL. NFL game is boring as heck so I needed some entertainment.

 

[ToneDog]

Thanks, watching it now. It seems like it's not possible to listen to Marner say how they played well without laughing.

O'Dog says says Marner doesn't ever have a game where he really stinks, Hayes immediately says "well Carolina wasn't good".

LOLOLOLOL. NFL game is boring as heck so I needed some entertainment.

Yeah they did a quick about face and some damage control. Probably don't want to piss off the Leafs or the Marner camp.

 

[Gabriel426]

Comparison is the thief of joy.

There's no functional, life changing difference over less than a million in what these possible red line numbers represent, but if Marner needs to be higher than Matthews, it's just going to lead to pain, disappointment and maybe a divorce. At the end of the day, I don't think the Toronto Maple Leafs will ever value Marner more than Matthews, aka the golden child. That might not be "fair" but I don't think it will change.

I don't think any GMs or Teams will ever value MM over AM. Just like teams should all value goaltenders over any players, since goalies play 60mins while the best forwards play 23mins and best Dmen play 30mins but thats never the case.
Thats just the hockey culture.

 

[Antropovsky]

Is Broudreau saying Marner would've heard Berube's comments before his interview? Are players able to hear the coaches postgame?

 

[Hallonbroder]

Yeah they did a quick about face and some damage control. Probably don't want to piss off the Leafs or the Marner camp.

It’s Toronto-media, they can’t be taken seriously

 

[Squiffy]

Comparison is the thief of joy.

There's no functional, life changing difference over less than a million in what these possible red line numbers represent, but if Marner needs to be higher than Matthews, it's just going to lead to pain, disappointment and maybe a divorce. At the end of the day, I don't think the Toronto Maple Leafs will ever value Marner more than Matthews, aka the golden child. That might not be "fair" but I don't think it will change.

Oh it's fair, AM is more valuable then MM. And you're right, Mitchy has to accept that reality.

More than Willy, less than Matthews, this is the correct landing point. 12.5 sounds nice, but honestly if it has to be 13 in world where the cap is going to be 100m in 2-3 years, who cares?

 

[Leafs87]

I’m not sure how anyone can take a 13.8 mill request from Marners camp seriously. He’s an 11.5 million player max.

 

[centipede2233]

I’m not sure how anyone can take a 13.8 mill request from Marners camp seriously. He’s an 11.5 million player max.

11.5 for regular season, he’s nowhere near that as a playoff player

 

[leafs in five]

I don't think they played bad enough vs Vancouver to warrant multiple TSN Drive guests breaking down the post-game comments of the Assistant Captain but I guess we were overdue for a crisis

 

[francis246]

Yeah they did a quick about face and some damage control. Probably don't want to piss off the Leafs or the Marner camp.

They didn’t “damage control” they just looked at the situation for what it was and didn’t overreact. In fact I think pretty much every major show, podcast covered it and had the same feeling. The whole quote isn’t bad. Cut up it’s pretty funny lol. Just you gotta know the audience.

It’s funny how we preach we want players to be completely honest in interviews but yet we want Marner to pander to what fans want to hear lol. They spoke about this on the SPDN. You can’t have it both ways as a fan and I think it’s a valid statement.

 

[leafs in five]

I’m not sure how anyone can take a 13.8 mill request from Marners camp seriously. He’s an 11.5 million player max.

I imagine that taking this request seriously would involve things like, considering his value to the team vs what they imagine they could get in free agency, modelling different scenarios w/r/t the salary cap increases over the coming years, preparing data on comparables to inform a counter offer or further negotiation. that kind of thing.

 

[Racer88]

Oh it's fair, AM is more valuable then MM. And you're right, Mitchy has to accept that reality.

More than Willy, less than Matthews, this is the correct landing point. 12.5 sounds nice, but honestly if it has to be 13 in world where the cap is going to be 100m in 2-3 years, who cares?

How quickly we forget that when all these guys got the massive contracts and we signed Tavares to 11 million the cap was projected to be a big number…….and then it wasn’t. Do we really want to take that gamble again after being burned already

 

[francis246]

How quickly we forget that when all these guys got the massive contracts and we signed Tavares to 11 million the cap was projected to be a big number…….and then it wasn’t. Do we really want to take that gamble again after being burned already

It’s kinda bullshit to use Covid as your sticking point all the time. The cap didn’t move because the world stopped. At the time the rogers deal was massive for hockey related revenue. The projections were there. Had it not been for covid the cap would have been way higher by now. The plan while very bold wasn’t crazy in 2019 because everyone in the NHL believed contracts were going up. Other teams were smart enough to quickly adjust once it was certain Covid would have long term effects on the cap, while leafs didn’t.

There is no gamble “again”.. the cap is going up unless we have something like Covid strike up again which is unlikely.

 

[ToneDog]

Bunkis gave his opinion on Marner comments. He called anybody who does not agree with him "a bit of a loser". LOL.

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Caught the end of Luke Fox's opinion this morning and he was not too kind.

Not many defending Marner. LOL.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't think they played bad enough vs Vancouver to warrant multiple TSN Drive guests breaking down the post-game comments of the Assistant Captain but I guess we were overdue for a crisis

Anything to froth up the masses. They know where their bread is buttered.

 

[ACC1224]

I’m not sure how anyone can take a 13.8 mill request from Marners camp seriously. He’s an 11.5 million player max.

Dollar values are meaningless, it’s percentage of cap.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It’s funny how we preach we want players to be completely honest in interviews but yet we want Marner to pander to what fans want to hear lol. They spoke about this on the SPDN. You can’t have it both ways as a fan and I think it’s a valid statement.

I don't think anyone's complaining about him being honest, they just think what he said is ridiculous.

Marner's thinks they played well, he's being honest, OK then. Most people don't think they played well, their reaction is to laugh because what he said is so ridiculous, they're also just being honest. Everything's fine, the only thing that takes a hit is Marner's reputation but, most people already know what to expect when he talks to the media so in the end, it's just another day in Leafland. A disappointing game this time around, the fans that paid for tickets are the big losers but at least Marner's interview provided a few laughs. On to the next one.

I had my eye on this stretch of games when we were playing poorly and winning against bad teams. CAR, VAN, DAL, NJ, MTL and TB. That's 5 teams that are pretty good, and now MTL is hot as well. 0 for 2 so far and still playing poorly, hope we see a better effort tonight.

Has the "Berube effect" worn off already? If we don't pick it up soon, I'm going to start getting very worried about the playoffs.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Media made a big thing over something small, yes. It’s Toronto, and it generates clicks. Plus, the general fan base are pretty tired of Marner and his antics.

Although some are calling it as it is, the same guys (?) also call Marner a top 5-player in the world, so one should always second guess their opinions

 

[Confucius]

How much harder? In know the answer to this question, you obviously don't or you wouldn't be spewing this nonsense.

Hint - goal scoring in the playoffs drops off very little compared to the drop in Marner's production. But hey 145 shots, I'm sure that's relevant.

Are you new to hockey? LMAO

 

[Antropovsky]

Thanks, watching it now. It seems like it's not possible to listen to Marner say how they played well without laughing.

O'Dog says says Marner doesn't ever have a game where he really stinks, Hayes immediately says "well Carolina wasn't good".

LOLOLOLOL. NFL game is boring as heck so I needed some entertainment.

Oneill suggesting Marner mightve been thinking just of his own game when answering.

Thats a problem too for a assistant captain. Thinking about just your own game.

Anyway its spun, its a bad answer.

They also talk about how Marner doesn't just use NHL cliches to keep himself out of problem.

If Marner is this stubborn with the media makes one wonder how he is with coaches.

 

[leafs in five]

does it really make one wonder that

 

[ER89]

Media made a big thing over something small, yes. It’s Toronto, and it generates clicks. Plus, the general fan base are pretty tired of Marner and his antics.

Although some are calling it as it is, the same guys (?) also call Marner a top 5-player in the world, so one should always second guess their opinions

Marner being a top 10 player while being a bitch are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Is Broudreau saying Marner would've heard Berube's comments before his interview? Are players able to hear the coaches postgame?

Makes sense.
Mitchy would pout stamp his skates and blame the refs, and say it's not his fault.
A very talented player wrapped in protective cellophane his whole life. Not sure he can become a man during his career, but if he could, wow.
You know Patrick Kane was very similar for a number of years.

 

[notDatsyuk]

This is actually funny. In your effort to be "reasonable" You went from


to Dubas and Tre had no choice while completely ignoring the rest.
So why do you think that coaches continue to play him in all situations? I'll skip the stats, you guys already have a guy for that. What about the Team Canada selection?

What makes the Marner critics right when the professionals who do NHL for a career completely disagree with you.

You do seem to miss the point regularly.

I didn't say that Dubas had no choice. He had a choice, and chose to overpay Marner. No other GM has done that.

I suppose Tre had a choice, to the extent that he could have just sat him out, but other than that, no.

The coach uses him in most situations because he is good. That does not mean he is a 'superstar' or that he has no flaws. Which "professionals who do NHL for a career" agree with.

And again, I am not criticizing Marner, just the people (on both sides) who see him only in black and white, and consequently make Marner threads virtually unreadable.

 

[Suntouchable13]

You do seem to miss the point regularly.

I didn't say that Dubas had no choice. He had a choice, and chose to overpay Marner. No other GM has done that.

I suppose Tre had a choice, to the extent that he could have just sat him out, but other than that, no.

The coach uses him in most situations because he is good. That does not mean he is a 'superstar' or that he has no flaws. Which "professionals who do NHL for a career" agree with.

And again, I am not criticizing Marner, just the people (on both sides) who see him only in black and white, and consequently make Marner threads virtually unreadable.

Yes, he is good. I think that most reasonable people agree. I just don’t want him at 13M or whatever it is if he can’t get it done in the playoffs. He can go to Columbus or Detroit for that price tag, teams that need to get to the playoffs consistently first before thinking about winning cups. He helps with that.