Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[centipede2233]

Auston Matthews played every meaningless regular season game to try and get to 70 goals last year then missed a couple games in the first rd due to illness. Really, that’s captain material? Pathetic

 

[ToneDog]

Next we have to trade Matthews for someone that can create plays and pass the puck to Rantanen

LOL, this team needs more goal scorers because they are not built to win games 6-5, especially in the playoffs and in game #7s in particular. In games where they have allowed 3 or more goals, they are 6-8-2 if my math is correct. Reminder we are 1-8 in the playoffs with the best passer in the history of the game and our PP has not intimidated anyone.

Loses - 4-1, 4-3, 5-1, 3-1, 4-2, 5-2, 6-3, 3-0
Wins - 6-4, 4-3 (OT), 4-3 (OT), 5-3, 5-3, 5-3, 6-3, 6-4

Only in Toronto do some fans prefer a soft, scared, whiny passer who has led them to no playoff success in 8 years, held out for every last cent as an RFA and threatened with two offer sheets, and now wants $13+m over a guy who has a SC, a 55 goal season and multiple 100+ point seasons. You cannot make this stuff up.

 

[ACC1224]

Auston Matthews played every meaningless regular season game to try and get to 70 goals last year then missed a couple games in the first rd due to illness. Really, that’s captain material? Pathetic

We're blaming Marner for this too?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Agreed, that's my point. He's not a zero when you understand the game

And my point was that he's not a hero when you understand the game.

If one play is the difference between hero and zero, neither appellation is appropriate.

I think that's the biggest problem with the Marner threads - many posters are in either the 'hero' or the 'zero' camp, and can't see any grey area between.

He does seem to be the most polarizing player.

 

[666]

And my point was that he's not a hero when you understand the game.

He does seem to be the most polarizing player.

I knew what your points was. Are you aware that we have people trying to "prove" that Marner has sucked so far this season?

He's really not that polarizing. There is a small but extremely vocal minority defining him as a loser and a choker but everyone else really knows he's a superstar.

 

[ToneDog]

And my point was that he's not a hero when you understand the game.

If one play is the difference between hero and zero, neither appellation is appropriate.

I think that's the biggest problem with the Marner threads - many posters are in either the 'hero' or the 'zero' camp, and can't see any grey area between.

He does seem to be the most polarizing player.

Willie did himself no favours after "holding out" and returning out of shape but he turned the fans around over the last 4 years and is now the most likeable of the 3 amigos IMO. Marner did himself no favours with his negotiatons and keeps digging himself a deeper hole with the fans IMO.

 

[Mess]

It would honestly be better for everyone if he never gave an interview again.

Even if/when he's well meaning he always sticks his foot in his mouth

Problem being, when you wear a letter on your jersey be it a "C" or an "A" it represents and viewed as team leadership, and if in addition you're among the highest paid players in the game, then those are the players that reporters seek out naturally for comment.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I knew what your points was. Are you aware that we have people trying to "prove" that Marner has sucked so far this season?

He's really not that polarizing. There is a small but extremely vocal minority defining him as a loser and a choker but everyone else really knows he's a superstar.

Yes - are you aware that we have people trying to "prove" that Marner has been a superstar so far this season?

He's really polarizing. There is a small but extremely vocal minority defining him as a winner and a superstar but everyone else really knows he's a choker.

That's my point - there are roughly the same number of people saying both extremes, without seeing that he's really just a very good player with some definite shortcomings.

 

[ACC1224]

Problem being, when you wear a letter on your jersey be it a "C" or an "A" it represents and viewed as team leadership, and if in addition you're among the highest paid players in the game, then those are the players that reporters seek out naturally for comment.

Yeah that's why they seek him out.

 

[666]

Yes - are you aware that we have people trying to "prove" that Marner has been a superstar so far this season?

He's really polarizing. There is a small but extremely vocal minority defining him as a winner and a superstar but everyone else really knows he's a choker.

That's my point - there are roughly the same number of people saying both extremes, without seeing that he's really just a very good player with some definite shortcomings.

Yeah, yeah flip words around we get it.

I don't think anyone is trying to prove he's a superstar. Some of us are just fighting misinformation.

There's a similar thing going in in politics.

edit: no-one is trying to prove he's a superstar because they don't have to.

 

[666]

Yes - are you aware that we have people trying to "prove" that Marner has been a superstar so far this season?

He's really polarizing. There is a small but extremely vocal minority defining him as a winner and a superstar but everyone else really knows he's a choker.

That's my point - there are roughly the same number of people saying both extremes, without seeing that he's really just a very good player with some definite shortcomings.

I should add, that some of us agree with the professionals who pay and play Marner and they agree he's a superstar. Sure, it's an appeal to authority but compared to a bunch of guys slamming beers all night, it's a fair appeal.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yeah, yeah flip words around we get it.

I don't think anyone is trying to prove he's a superstar. Some of us are just fighting misinformation.

There's a similar thing going in in politics.

You're the one who just said "everyone else really knows he's a superstar".

Some of us are just fighting the hyperbole from both sides.

 

[666]

You're the one who just said "everyone else really knows he's a superstar".

Some of us are just fighting the hyperbole from both sides.

No one is trying to prove he's superstar because we don't have to. He just is.

 

[Mess]

Yeah that's why they seek him out.

Do you think the public wants to hear what Marner has to say after a bad loss or Simon Benoit or Connor Dewar instead?

Reporters and media need to drive traffic to their articles/reports to increase viewership.. Nobody on the planet cares what Simon Benoit thought about the Leafs efforts, nor place very much weight on his opinion overall. Heck if he walked out the Leafs dressing room and exited with the crowd many fans wouldn't even know who he was.

So of course it matters your status on the team and the spotlight chases those players.

The fact that Marner consistently makes himself look foolishly or confrontational when forced with questions from the media, well that's on him.

Mitch should get a reality check from his teammates and coach then, before going public again, coming off a mere 20 shot and 3-0 embarrassing shutout loss coming up with something closer to reality then ""I liked it. I thought we played well. I really did.".

Mitch Marner's Post-Game Comments Suggest He's Not Aligned With Leafs Players, nor Staff

Following the game, most of the Leafs admitted they were not good enough in any facet of their play with the effort level being the biggest concern.

Craig Berube and Chris Tanev were among those who spoke out publicly about the weak effort against the Canucks.

Maple Leafs head coach Craig Berube, who is not shy about holding his team accountable or offering praise when deserved, echoed Tanev's sentiments, albeit in his own way.

Together, these two statements, though worded differently, convey the same message: the team needs to improve its performance and take responsibility for their play.

 

[notDatsyuk]

No one is trying to prove he's superstar because we don't have to. He just is.

That's either sarcasm or the type of hyperbole that has made the Marner threads so polarizing.

I'm not sure which. I hope it's the former.

 

[666]

Some of us are just fighting the hyperbole from both sides.

This both sides nonsense is the same thing that we have in politics and look at where that's gotten us. One side has GM's, coaches, experts, stats and facts. The other side has hate.
One side says hey look Marner is on team Canada. The other side says he sucks this season.

That's either sarcasm or the type of hyperbole that has made the Marner threads so polarizing.

I'm not sure which.

Your attempt at being "neutral" is just a wolf in sheep's clothing and you know it.

 

[notDatsyuk]

This both sides nonsense is the same thing that we have in politics and look at where that's gotten us. One side has GM's, coaches, experts, stats and facts. The other side has hate.
One side says hey look Marner is on team Canada. The other side says he sucks this season.


Your attempt at being "neutral" is just a wolf in sheep's clothing and you know it.

One side has GM's, coaches, experts, stats and facts. The other side has blind adulation.

You're just proving my point again and again.

As I said, I think he's a very good player with some shortcomings.

I'm not trying to be neutral, I'm trying to be reasonable.

 

[666]

One side has GM's, coaches, experts, stats and facts. The other side has blind adulation.

You're just proving my point again and again.

What? What GM's aren't paying Marner? What coaches aren't playing Marner is all situations? What stats "prove" that Marner sucks?

 

[ACC1224]

Do you think the public wants to hear what Marner has to say after a bad loss or Simon Benoit or Connor Dewar instead?

Reporters and media need to drive traffic to their articles/reports to increase viewership.. Nobody on the planet cares what Simon Benoit thought about the Leafs efforts, nor place very much weight on his opinion overall. Heck if he walked out the Leafs dressing room and exited with the crowd many fans wouldn't even know who he was.

So of course it matters your status on the team and the spotlight chases those players.

They seek him out in hopes he says something stupid, not because he wears an 'A' as your previous post stated.

If Benoit was known to say stupid things you can bet they would seek him out.

 

[francis246]

Problem being, when you wear a letter on your jersey be it a "C" or an "A" it represents and viewed as team leadership, and if in addition you're among the highest paid players in the game, then those are the players that reporters seek out naturally for comment.

Marner is sought out for quotes because he’s a polarizing player in this market and it will generate a ton of clicks. There’s nothing more and nothing less to it. Has nothing to do with the fact that he wears a letter. Marner sells headlines good and bad, when he plays good he’s good for headlines, when they play bad he’s good for headlines cause he’ll give the media some crazy quote they can run with and there are people who want him gone. Not rocket science.

 

[francis246]

He doesn’t even need to apologize. Just be realistic and honest. Stop being delusional and at least show he gives a crap once in a while.

Personally I think people caring this much about a quote is just fake outrage. Among other things in this world. Who cares at the end of the day? The guy blows at speaking to the media but has an obligation to do it, we know he’s gonna say something out of touch, I’ve never seen anything like this where people care so heavily about what someone says. It’s a bit overboard now don’t you think?

 

[Stephen]

They seek him out in hopes he says something stupid, not because he wears an 'A' as your previous post stated.

If Benoit was known to say stupid things you can bet they would seek him out.

You’re both right. Marner is known to say oddball things that aren’t really fitting of the leadership status he holds on the team. So there’s some degree of the media looking for a sound bite….

But Marner has to learn sometimes it’s easier to just take the mature approach, say my bad in a not the end of the world way and let positive actions speak for themselves the next time.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You’re both right. Marner is known to say oddball things that aren’t really fitting of the leadership status he holds on the team. So there’s some degree of the media looking for a sound bite….

But Marner has to learn sometimes it’s easier to just take the mature approach, say my bad in a not the end of the world way and let positive actions speak for themselves the next time.

He was just trying to keep morale up .. Mitch is that kind of kid .. we got too many wokes on here i think .. people who don't understand Mitch .. he knows there was a lack of effort .. he ain't da sharpest tool in the drawer but he is not stupid .. folks read too deep into comments .. you gotta remember Mitch is just a happy kid who loves to play .. in a lot of ways he is completely misunderstood .. and a ton of that is baggage from his dad and his contract .. you can't blame a guy for trying to get every nickel he can from hockey .. blame da people who over paid him

 

[Stephen]

He was just trying to keep morale up .. Mitch is that kind of kid .. we got too many wokes on here i think .. people who don't understand Mitch .. he knows there was a lack of effort .. he ain't da sharpest tool in the drawer but he is not stupid .. folks read too deep into comments .. you gotta remember Mitch is just a happy kid who loves to play .. in a lot of ways he is completely misunderstood .. and a ton of that is baggage from his dad and his contract .. you can't blame a guy for trying to get every nickel he can from hockey .. blame da people who over paid him

Personally, I don’t really care what he said that much after the Vancouver game, not bothered by it. But life would be easier for Mitch if he just got a little wiser about what he says.

 

[Gabriel426]

They seek him out in hopes he says something stupid, not because he wears an 'A' as your previous post stated.

If Benoit was known to say stupid things you can bet they would seek him out.

All can be true at the same time.

You wear an A, plus being one of the highest paid players in the league, and say stupid crap.

It is not like it is either Yes or No.

Discussion is one thing but some of you are just trying to win an argument.