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Shows up in the playoffs, leafs win two+ rounds sign him to 12 x 8.
He craps the bed and leafs crash out, evaluate the options
He craps the bed and leafs crash out, evaluate the options
Of course trading is better than losing a guy for nothing, and chances are Marner will be signed. That said, and history notwithstanding, there is no guarantee that extending Marner will turn out better then letting him walk would turn out. There is also some combination of cap hit and term where the Leafs should just say no, that's too much, we're not doing that.One hundred percent agree Gary but the best changes come from trades. There’s a reason why teams don’t walk their best players to free agency. It’s bad asset management. No one is saying don’t make changes, but this is one of the worst ways to make changes historically speaking. The teams that have changed their core have made trades that have benefited them.
No... but most management arent as dysfunctional as the leafs. We learned this from the Lou breakup followed by the Dubas breakup. How green everyone was after Lou and we know there were diagreements between Dubas and Shanahan. Additionally, we learned there were apparently disagreements between Rogers and Bell. Which led to Rogers buying out Bell. Other managements, wouldve moved Marner sooner. But that doesnt mean its not still the right decision.Choose whatever management group you want, doesn’t make your take any less egregious.
Name me a superstar in the Salary Cap era that their NHL Club let them walk to UFA because of poor playoff performance. I’ll wait, it’s never fcking happened ever.
Better yet, tell me a team that refused to pay a superstar because of lack of playoff success. Yup, I’ll wait. Never happened. Playoff performance has never been a MAJOR factor in contract negotiations. It’s definitely a part of it. But it doesn’t weigh as heavily as regular season. Contracts are primarily based on how much you produce in the regular season. All we hear when players talk about comparables is individual regular season statistics because everyone involved in sports know that playoff success has more to do with team.
The Panthers stick to a guiding philosophy: Every player is scouted for his character. Players must be ultra competitive, but also humble enough to buy into Coach Maurice's style, which is mentally and physically taxing. Zito said their vetting often includes questions like: How compelled are they by winning? What types of sacrifices have they made at previous stops?
I hear what you're saying, but almost every superstar in every sport has one thing in common, Championship wins.Again never said it doesn’t matter. I said it doesn’t play that big of a role. Whether Marner gets the money from the leafs or somewhere else, he’s getting paid. If the leafs care about his playoff performance, another team will sign him in UFA and not care about the playoff numbers. That’s how sports has always worked, am I wrong about that?
There's a strong argument to be made there no doubt, but you might not be putting enough weight behind a hypothetical ninth straight faceplant in a row. That's not nothing.One hundred percent agree Gary but the best changes come from trades. There’s a reason why teams don’t walk their best players to free agency. It’s bad asset management. No one is saying don’t make changes, but this is one of the worst ways to make changes historically speaking. The teams that have changed their core have made trades that have benefited them.
There's no 12.5M, they will pay him 13M if the playoffs go well enough.Toronto Maple Leafs Reportedly Set Their Limit On a Potential Mitch Marner Extension
The Toronto Maple Leafs want to bring back Mitch Marner this off-season, and now they've reportedly agreed on a limit that they will pay him to make it happen.www.yardbarker.com
The Toronto Maple Leafs want to bring back Mitch Marner this off-season, and now they've reportedly agreed on a limit that they will pay him to make it happen.
For quite some time, the story of a potential Mitch Marner extension has been a huge story in Toronto, and now with his pending free agency quickly approaching, it's about to come to a head, one way or another.
In the midst of a career year, Marner's value is continuing to go up, and at 27 years of age with a huge career ahead of him, the time for Marner to cash in with a long-term deal is now.
Now, TSN's Pierre LeBrun has weighed in on the situation, noting that the team, much like Colorado doesn't want to make their upcoming free agents their highest-paid players, with Nathan MacKinnon and Auston Matthews currently holding the mantle for their respective teams.
"It's not been a headline story which is unbelievable. What I would tell you is that there is no question that part of the dialogue that is a stumbling block is that much like Nathan MacKinnon's cap number much like Mikko Rantanen, they are pointing to Auston Matthews and I understand from a team perspective.
So, what does LeBrun think the number is in Toronto? According to him, the team has a hard limit of $13 million, with the team likely happy to pay him around the $12.5 million AAV mark.
"It comes down to this. I don't think the Leafs feel they can or will pay more than $13M, $12.5M? Is that enough for an 8-year deal? If that's where it is, that's the I think that's the clear line of demarcation, $13 million a year."
At this point in 2024/25, Marner is on track to pass 100 points for the first time in his career, and while many teammates in Toronto want him back, there will be interest around the league, and if the Leafs aren't willing to go over $12.5 million, we may see another team swoop in and land the young star.
Ofcourse it is better to trade them than lose for nothing.One hundred percent agree Gary but the best changes come from trades. There’s a reason why teams don’t walk their best players to free agency. It’s bad asset management. No one is saying don’t make changes, but this is one of the worst ways to make changes historically speaking. The teams that have changed their core have made trades that have benefited them.
This feeds back into an area of interest for me. $12.5 million over 8 years is $100 million, a nice round number for Mitch, which would give him @$170 million minus endorsement earnings by the time he's 35.At this point in 2024/25, Marner is on track to pass 100 points for the first time in his career, and while many teammates in Toronto want him back, there will be interest around the league, and if the Leafs aren't willing to go over $12.5 million, we may see another team swoop in and land the young star.
The interesting part of this whole thread is that some are turning it into “Marners good, he’s gonna get paid anywhere he’ll go. He’ll get paid. He’ll get paid. Salary Cap goes up. Yadda”. But should he be signed by the Leafs, though….? They’ve tried getting somewhere with a certain core. It hasn’t worked. They already have one winger above 10 mil/per, do they need two? Shouldn’t you, the fans, want the management of your team to do more from you? Maybe try something else…? Why are some posters so OK with not winning?
It’s weird. Is there any other example of such an unsuccessful core of players, staying together this long, in sports history?
….also the thought that you either keep it the same or Marner leaves is too narrow.As fan it’s not that black and white. Yes of course I want the team to win. But I’m also gonna be pissed off if we let this guy walk and we suck after. Cause we let a talented player go for nothing. It’s an impossible position and I don’t think there’s a wrong side to this. People who want the leafs to let Marner walk and try something different aren’t wrong and people who feel like letting him go will make the team worse aren’t wrong because both can be true. This is probably one of the most critical junctures this team has been at in a very long time. We may very well need change, but there is a 50% chance we still suck after making the changes people want and that will be a very tough pill to swallow. There’s also a 50% chance we get better. So idk what the right move is.
Hard to believe some fans want to see Marner overpaid at the expense of the team after watching him underperform on his last contract and helping us win 1 series in 9 playoff attempts. Can you say agenda?The interesting part of this whole thread is that some are turning it into “Marners good, he’s gonna get paid anywhere he’ll go. He’ll get paid. He’ll get paid. Salary Cap goes up. Yadda”. But should he be signed by the Leafs, though….? They’ve tried getting somewhere with a certain core. It hasn’t worked. They already have one winger above 10 mil/per, do they need two? Shouldn’t you, the fans, want the management of your team to do more from you? Maybe try something else…? Why are some posters so OK with not winning?
It’s weird. Is there any other example of such an unsuccessful core of players, staying together this long, in sports history?
Agreed.….also the thought that you either keep it the same or Marner leaves is too narrow.
IMO, if change is warranted any of the three should be discussed as being moved for change, not just the one.
The thinking of some that if you don’t want Marner moved means you don’t want the team to win is asinine and really should just be ignored.
While Mitch is a very skilled player,I just don’t see any other team in the league paying him over $10M a season.
He is not on the same level as the Matthews, MacKinnon type of guys. He is not a $13M guy.
If he is that set on thinking someone is going to pay him that, then good riddance.
No... but most management arent as dysfunctional as the leafs. We learned this from the Lou breakup followed by the Dubas breakup. How green everyone was after Lou and we know there were diagreements between Dubas and Shanahan. Additionally, we learned there were apparently disagreements between Rogers and Bell. Which led to Rogers buying out Bell. Other managements, wouldve moved Marner sooner. But that doesnt mean its not still the right decision.
However, Zito wasnt dumb and he traded Huberdeau, coming off 113 points for Tkatchuk. Apparently he didnt like what he saw from Huberdeau in the playoffs.
I suggested Leafs trade Marner for Tkatchuk. Was told by Marner fans (still in this thread) that Marner was easily better. Got some lolz too.
I suggested Leafs trade Marner for Eichel. Was told by Marner fans (still in this thread) that Marner was easily better. Got some lolz too.
I suggest Marner for a Connor package, was told Marner was easily better.
Marner fans even used ro say he was better than Kucherov.
Ive pointed to Marners lack of battle and fear of physical play and how losing doesnt seem to bother him... how he makes excuses for losing like "its the hardest trophy to win for a reason". Despite multiple videos of him leaving pucks in corners to avoid being hit (pulling the chute), the videos separated by 4 postseasons.
Told I know nothing.
Well here is how Panthers choose their players:
Marner ...not ultra competitive and not humble.
The agenda is it to keep the guy that will probably be the Leafs all time number one scorer and a first ballot HOFer. No one wants to see anyone get overpaid.Hard to believe some fans want to see Marner overpaid at the expense of the team after watching him underperform on his last contract and helping us win 1 series in 9 playoff attempts. Can you say agenda?
Matthews and Nylander (both signed by current GM BT) have full NMC contracts.….also the thought that you either keep it the same or Marner leaves is too narrow.
IMO, if change is warranted any of the three should be discussed as being moved for change, not just the one.
The thinking of some that if you don’t want Marner moved means you don’t want the team to win is asinine and really should just be ignored.
It is clear Leafs are not letting him walk for nothing so the question becomes how much are they willing to pay him and how much does Marner want. IMO Marner won't do himself any favours if this contract negotiation plays out similarly to the last one.As fan it’s not that black and white. Yes of course I want the team to win. But I’m also gonna be pissed off if we let this guy walk and we suck after. Cause we let a talented player go for nothing. It’s an impossible position and I don’t think there’s a wrong side to this. People who want the leafs to let Marner walk and try something different aren’t wrong and people who feel like letting him go will make the team worse aren’t wrong because both can be true. This is probably one of the most critical junctures this team has been at in a very long time. We may very well need change, but there is a 50% chance we still suck after making the changes people want and that will be a very tough pill to swallow. There’s also a 50% chance we get better. So idk what the right move is.
Hard to believe some fans want to see Marner overpaid at the expense of the team after watching him underperform on his last contract and helping us win 1 series in 9 playoff attempts. Can you say agenda?
there could be many ‘valid reason’ if you open your mind and look at things reasonably.Matthews and Nylander (both signed by current GM BT) have full NMC contracts.
Marner is on an expiring contract where in the past his NMC prevented change.
AM and WN both have full control of their current contract and trade situations.
There is a valid reason why Marner was not re-signed yet, and if the Leafs want to change the core 4 that will come at the expense of Marner. The playoffs this year for both Leafs and Marner will be critical to his future as a Leaf. IMO
The thought that anyone wants to see him overpaid is just the latest in a long line of silly thoughts. It could be the least thought out though, certainly ranks up there.The agenda is it to keep the guy that will probably be the Leafs all time number one scorer and a first ballot HOFer. No one wants to see anyone get overpaid.
Some people do not understand that the Leafs will not have any options to change this core once they give Marner a NMC other than what the Rangers are currently doing with their players. They forced Trouba to waive and Zibanejad just refused to waive to Vancouver. Leafs most likely will not do that, so they will be running it back for at least another 3 years, when Matty is up to bat again. A loss to Florida in round #2 won't go over well with most of the fan base.Matthews and Nylander (both signed by current GM BT) have full NMC contracts.
Marner is on an expiring contract where in the past his NMC prevented change.
AM and WN both have full control of their current contract and trade situations.
It's beyond silly thoughts. It's more like poorly crafted misinformation.there could be many ‘valid reason’ if you open your mind and look at things reasonably.
The thought that anyone wants to see him overpaid is just the latest in a long line of silly thoughts. It could be the least thought out though, certainly ranks up there.
Leafs would have gladly signed him to $12mx8 if he'd accept it. This is playing out like it did for Willie last year. Question is whether the Leafs cave before the playoffs and pay his ask.Shows up in the playoffs, leafs win two+ rounds sign him to 12 x 8.
He craps the bed and leafs crash out, evaluate the options