Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

ACC1224

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Exactly, the same with William, he signed last year for 11,5 Marner is not entitled to make more over the next 7 years because the cap went up. Both are worth 11.5, if we are Mitch’s dream team, take a discount from that 11.5.and you can stay. Otherwise move to the U S or Winnipeg for that matter.
In no world does he deserve less than Nylander. I know you guys all have this irrational hate but try and be realistic.
 
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He'll be looking for a cap % that will be GT Nylanders and LT Matthews which is where he reasonably sits.
Rising cap will make that number look a little out of whack for sure.
It's funny that we never hear about a cap % in no tax states (e.g. Florida where Reinhart just signed 8x$8.625M), or other desirable markets (e.g. Boston where Pasta fairly recently signed 8x$11.25) but for some reason in Toronto, where the players gets unparalleled endorsement opportunities, treated like rockstars, etc. it's all about % of the cap and justified contracts.

It's a joke and I personally think it's time we start leveraging the advantages of our market into not having to pay top dollar seemingly every single time.
 

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The cycle is back.

1. Rumor of an insane amount-14mil
2. Then the debate and discussions
3. Last signs lower than the insane amount
4. Home town discount

Let’s fall for that again just like most of us will be tracking plane the moment the media hinted Soto is signing with the Jays.
 

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It's funny that we never hear about a cap % in no tax states (e.g. Florida where Reinhart just signed 8x$8.625M), or other desirable markets (e.g. Boston where Pasta fairly recently signed 8x$11.25) but for some reason in Toronto, where the players gets unparalleled endorsement opportunities, treated like rockstars, etc. it's all about % of the cap and justified contracts.

It's a joke and I personally think it's time we start leveraging the advantages of our market into not having to pay top dollar seemingly every single time.
Yeah it would be great if we had no tax but that's not our reality here. Cap % is the only fair way to look at it when the cap changes every year.
I'm not saying what happens here is good or right but players will slot on where their value places them. Overpaying on their RFA contracts caused all this.


Pastrnak is the highest paid Bruin. No doubt he would have taken more if someone on the team earned more.
 
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It's funny that we never hear about a cap % in no tax states (e.g. Florida where Reinhart just signed 8x$8.625M), or other desirable markets (e.g. Boston where Pasta fairly recently signed 8x$11.25) but for some reason in Toronto, where the players gets unparalleled endorsement opportunities, treated like rockstars, etc. it's all about % of the cap and justified contracts.

It's a joke and I personally think it's time we start leveraging the advantages of our market into not having to pay top dollar seemingly every single time.
The Cap% is a make up reason by Leafs fans to show that our Beta Chokers are on good contracts, lol.

All they need to do is win the Cup and all their contracts are great. It is really that simple and easy.
 

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In no world does he deserve less than Nylander. I know you guys all have this irrational hate but try and be realistic.
Well you are wrong there, surely you know I like the player but that is all he is worth. If he wants more move on. I’d just as soon part ways and use whatever he gets somewhere else on depth guys.
 

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The cycle is back.

1. Rumor of an insane amount-14mil
2. Then the debate and discussions
3. Last signs lower than the insane amount
4. Home town discount

Let’s fall for that again just like most of us will be tracking plane the moment the media hinted Soto is signing with the Jays.
It really has nothing to do with us. We aren't falling for anything.
 

Gabriel426

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Exactly, the same with William, he signed last year for 11,5 Marner is not entitled to make more over the next 7 years because the cap went up. Both are worth 11.5, if we are Mitch’s dream team, take a discount from that 11.5.and you can stay. Otherwise move to the U S or Winnipeg for that matter.
Winnipeg is a bit harsh, at least offer him the Senators as an option, lol
 
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Well you are wrong there, surely you know I like the player but that is all he is worth. If he wants more move on. I’d just as soon part ways and use whatever he gets somewhere else,
You don't see that he's valued more than Nylander?
 

Leafs4Life77

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Yeah it would be great if we had no tax but that's not our reality here. Cap % is the only fair way to look at it when the cap changes every year.
I'm not saying what happens here is good or right but players will slot on where their value places them. Overpaying on their RFA contracts caused all this.


Pastrnak is the highest paid Bruin. No doubt he would have taken more if someone on the team earned more.

I couldn't disagree with this more. It's all a negotiation and all about leverage, and we have failed to use our leverage throughout this current 16, 34, 88 era.

Reinhart and Pastrnak didn't "slot in where their value placed them". Florida used their leverage and took Reinhart to the eve of Free Agency, similar for Boston and Pasta.
 
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I couldn't disagree with this more. It's all a negotiation and all about leverage, and we have failed to use our leverage throughout this current 16, 34, 88 era.

Reinhart and Pastrnak didn't "slot in where their value placed them". Florida used their leverage and took Reinhart to the eve of Free Agency, similar for Boston and Pasta.
No tax states get their players cheaper no doubt. Like I said, they haven't done a good job here but they're now forced to play the hand Dubas dealt them or walk away. They aren't going to walk away.

Nope and what’s more I’d expect a hometown discount from Mitch, other players do it.
You should be prepared to be disappointed then
 

Leafs4Life77

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No tax states get their players cheaper no doubt. Like I said, they haven't done a good job here but they're now forced to play the hand Dubas dealt them or walk away. They aren't going to walk away.
How do the deals Dubas signed 5+ years ago have any impact on the next deals?

If they're entering a contract negotiation with the position that they can't walk away then they've already lost and are likely destined to repeat the mistakes of the last 6 years.

I think it's ridiculous for anyone to believe we can't walk away and need to cave to whatever the demands are.
 
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How do the deals Dubas signed 5+ years ago have any impact on the next deals?

If they're entering a contract negotiation with the position that they can't walk away then they've already lost and are likely destined to repeat the mistakes of the last 6 years.

I think it's ridiculous for anyone to believe we can't walk away and need to cave to whatever the demands are.
They impact the next deals because the cap has risen and they don't deserve a pay cut.

What anyone believes is irrelevant, what they do is all that matters.
 

Leafs4Life77

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They impact the next deals because the cap has risen and they don't deserve a pay cut.

What anyone believes is irrelevant, what they do is all that matters.

I'm not sure how we went from "players will slot in where their value places them" to the old deals matter and the "cap has risen and they don't deserve a pay cut" in an hour.

It's Treliving's job to build the best possible team. He is not bound to deals signed 5+ years ago nor is he bound to using a % of the cap when it's convenient for the player.
 
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Lol that’s some shitty reporting by Lebrun, throws Marner right under the bus. He throws Rantanen’s number out there and then says, people think Marner’s ask might be aligned with that value. What the hell? LMAO
It worked, people are already losing their minds.
 

francis246

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Geez man, paying Marner 14M while Florida pays Reinhart 8.6M is quite the pill to swallow. That's a Hyman-type player difference. I can't get behind that one.

In fairness people need to read the quote. Nowhere did it actually say Marner’s ask. Lebrun mentioned Rantanen believes he will get 14. Then he said, Marner MIGHT ask for that. I don’t think we should start panicking, Lebrun is just making an assumption there. Rantanen has clearly established his price.
 

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