Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[notDatsyuk]

Most people are fine with 12 million based on the 92.5 cap, that 13%. Let's say the floated 97 mil cap increase gets approved, now you're at 12.6 million same %.

According to a poll on the main boards, 69% say $10M would be the most they would want their team to give him (on a 7 year deal). Fewer than 6% say over $12M.

 

[DarkKnight]

According to a poll on the main boards, 69% say $10M would be the most they would want their team to give him (on a 7 year deal). Fewer than 6% say over $12M.

The main boards? Seriously? Most anti Leaf place on earth. Irrelevant.

 

[IronHookem]

he has really utilized his shot since matthews has been out

6 goals and he is not looking to instantly pass.

We need to keep him and JT together, they've been bringing the best of each other this season

At best, they'll keep them apart for a game or two, and then Matthews will force him back into his line.
JT looked just as good with Nylander & Patches, so I don't think he needs Marner as much as Marner needs him right now.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Typically vague answer. I provide facts, you provide nothing.

I provided the answer to your question. You provided a stat that wasn't relevant to the discussion, so I tried to help you realize that defense and goaltending are different things.

 

[ACC1224]

The main boards? Seriously? Most anti Leaf place on earth. Irrelevant.

Imagine using the main boards as your appeal to authority

 

[NVious]

He's playing well now, but let's see what he does in the playoffs.

I'd rather Shesterkin at 13 than him at 11-12 anyways.

 

[thewave]

The main boards? Seriously? Most anti Leaf place on earth. Irrelevant.

They aren't lying. He is a good player and is performing at his top level. The 10m range is exactly what he makes. 10.9m or no change in pay is what a lot of posters have said is fair. No raise.

Why is 10-10.9m an obscene range. It's just hockey guys saying I would pay him 10m or so.

You don't have to over complicate it.

According to a poll on the main boards, 69% say $10M would be the most they would want their team to give him (on a 7 year deal). Fewer than 6% say over $12M.

And that's actually pretty fair and accurate. They think people are going to troll what people think a good player is worth. If they were saying 7m it's a joke but 10m range is what he makes now.

 

[capfit9]

Interesting Kyper seems to have taken the role of Dreger for this round of contract negotiations for the Marner camp. Off-ice toxicity seems to follow Marner everywhere. I remember Mitch walking out on his London Knights teammates due to role/ice time until Hunter had to visit and get him back.

 

[Zero1]

You realize the cap goes up for every team, right? If you think Marner can't get more than what the Leafs offer him in the open market, you're flat out delusional.

A team is going to pay Mitch Marner $14 mill AAV over 7-years? I guess I’m delusional then.

All the best to the team that signs him to that contract.

 

[Stephen]

$11.5 million over 8 years would be the easy breezy sweet spot for Marner. Taking no less than Nylander, which is obviously important, no ego flex, feels team friendly-ish from a relative cap increase POV, still generational money. If he took that on this round it would feel like you could live with it and still build something around him.

8 years and $11.5 million is $92 million.
7 years from another team at $13 million is $91 million.

If the negotiations are contentious and the ask/demand creeps into Mackinnon and Matthews territory, with threats to test the market, it probably won’t end up in a good spot.

 

[Its not your fault]

According to a poll on the main boards, 69% say $10M would be the most they would want their team to give him (on a 7 year deal). Fewer than 6% say over $12M.

Yet it takes 1 GM to fall in the 6 percent. When jobs are at stake free wallets at large. You know FA is over pay time. Been that way since before the cap era started.

 

[thewave]

Interesting Kyper seems to have taken the role of Dreger for this round of contract negotiations for the Marner camp. Off-ice toxicity seems to follow Marner everywhere. I remember Mitch walking out on his London Knights teammates due to role/ice time until Hunter had to visit and get him back.

Exactly. This is his character and reputation

$11.5 million over 8 years would be the easy breezy sweet spot for Marner. Taking no less than Nylander, which is obviously important, no ego flex, feels team friendly-ish from a relative cap increase POV, still generational money. If he took that on this round it would feel like you could live with it and still build something around him.

8 years and $11.5 million is $92 million.
7 years from another team at $13 million is $91 million.

If the negotiations are contentious and the ask/demand creeps into Mackinnon and Matthews territory, with threats to test the market, it probably won’t end up in a good spot.

Let him test. He ain't getting half the endorsements in the US. Who the heck is Mitch Marner haha

 

[DarkKnight]

Many will recall the big debate with Kypreos and Bourne last week. Listening today Bourne said he "expects to just hear any day he's signed for 12.75-13 for 8 years". Found that fascinating, given the heated debates of the past with Kypreos.

 

[Leaf Fans]

According to a poll on the main boards, 69% say $10M would be the most they would want their team to give him (on a 7 year deal). Fewer than 6% say over $12M.

How many on the main board think the Leafs should re-sign him at more than 12M?

 

[ToneDog]

Exactly. This is his character and reputation



Let him test. He ain't getting half the endorsements in the US. Who the heck is Mitch Marner haha

Apparently the Leafs do not have the stomach or balls to do that. They can't wait until after the playoffs like the Panthers did with a 57 goal scorer. Locking into the 3 amigos is insanity unless Berube can change the script.

 

[Evilhomer]

Apparently the Leafs do not have the stomach or balls to do that. They can't wait until after the playoffs like the Panthers did with a 57 goal scorer. Locking into the 3 amigos is insanity unless Berube can change the script.

I feel like this script has already been written. The Leafs aren't going to let Marner walk, and objectively it would be hard to defend that decision. Are they realistically going to replace him with someone who makes the team better? They really have no leverage here. It's just a matter of what number they ultimately capitulate on.

 

[CelticDruid]

Will Marner be a game-changer in the playoffs?

We know that he is great in the regular season but doesn't raise his game significantly during the post-season.

We need a time machine to rubber stamp a potential contract.

 

[DarkKnight]

I feel like this script has already been written. The Leafs aren't going to let Marner walk, and objectively it would be hard to defend that decision. Are they realistically going to replace him with someone who makes the team better? They really have no leverage here. It's just a matter of what number they ultimately capitulate on.

Exactly like last year with Nylander.

 

[arso40]

Exactly like last year with Nylander.

Two different seasons not to mention ones a game breaker and improved the last 3 years the other seemed stagnant but I guess they’re ignoring data and history

 

[ToneDog]

Will Marner be a game-changer in the playoffs?

We know that he is great in the regular season but doesn't raise his game significantly during the post-season.

We need a time machine to rubber stamp a potential contract.

This is why some question why they would not wait until the playoffs. If they sign him and he has another poor playoffs, they deserve the wrath of the fans they will get.

 

[ToneDog]

I feel like this script has already been written. The Leafs aren't going to let Marner walk, and objectively it would be hard to defend that decision. Are they realistically going to replace him with someone who makes the team better? They really have no leverage here. It's just a matter of what number they ultimately capitulate on.

The number has to be good. If he thinks the heat he got last summer was bad, wait until this summer if he has another poor playoff and the team is punted early.

 

[Mr_Fun]

Imagine using the main boards as your appeal to authority

TBH, If you were to tally up the collective worth of Leaf contracts according to the main boards, we should/would have about 50 million left in salary cap; we’ve just grossly overpaid.

 

[Evilhomer]

The number has to be good. If he thinks the heat he got last summer was bad, wait until this summer if he has another poor playoff and the team is punted early.

But what if he doesn't? What if he and the team reach the cup final?

 

[Menzinger]

$11.5 million over 8 years would be the easy breezy sweet spot for Marner. Taking no less than Nylander, which is obviously important, no ego flex, feels team friendly-ish from a relative cap increase POV, still generational money. If he took that on this round it would feel like you could live with it and still build something around him.

8 years and $11.5 million is $92 million.
7 years from another team at $13 million is $91 million.

If the negotiations are contentious and the ask/demand creeps into Mackinnon and Matthews territory, with threats to test the market, it probably won’t end up in a good spot.

I've thrown out my reasonable expectations at this point. I do think it will be for 8 years of term though.

Don't be surprised if he becomes the highest paid winger in NHL history by a fairly sizeable margin once is done. 13-14 mil aav.

 

[Zero1]

I've thrown out my reasonable expectations at this point. I do think it will be for 8 years of term though.

Don't be surprised if he becomes the highest paid winger in NHL history by a fairly sizeable margin once is done. 13-14 mil aav.

That would be a disgusting contract… At that price you let him walk.

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