Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Divine]

He had a career high of 30 goals when he got that contract. 40 goals did not factor into that contract. And you were given quite a few examples of players that never hit 40.

He won the Hart, eh? Sounds like hockey people don't dismiss playmaking like you're trying to.

Who said hockey people dismiss playmaking?

If Marner wins the Hart or Art Ross, he’d be asking for 15M.

Is Marner a good player? Yes.
Is he worth 12M? No.
Is saying he’s not a 12M dollar player dismissing all passers in the league? No.

Stop the strawman.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Laughable, absolutely laughable analysis. I honestly don't know how you keep going when literally everyone else is applauding his performance. Even those who don't want to re-sign him are acknowledging how well he's playing right now.

Guys, Antroputz is right. Marner had zero impact on that McMann goal. Not only that, but he had nothing to do with the overtime winner, either.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Marner is playing great but it’s not the playoffs is it

 

[leafs in five]

must be the luckiest player in league history to accumulate over a PPG across almost 600 games played while not driving offense

 

[leafs in five]

Hate to break it to you, but Marner was not in the slot. He was outside of it.


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did you get any radar readings on Marner's backward skating top speed/avg speed in the OT? I assume it's pretty pedestrian, maybe bottom quartile in the league, but would be good to have some data to back it up

 

[Confucius]

Marner is playing great but it’s not the playoffs is it

It is the games which we are playing at the moment, the ones providing current entertainment. You must be fun at parties, “Well this isn’t Christmas is it…”

 

[leafs in five]

imo Berube should send him out as a lone forward every once in a while even if we're supposed to be even strength, force him be the play driver. my prediction (backed up by some of the data posted itt) is that he would struggle to drive play in this scenario. which is pretty damning really

 

[Dekes For Days]

Who said hockey people dismiss playmaking?

You did, when you pretended that players need to hit some arbitrary goal mark to get paid, despite a long history of that not being true.

Is Marner a good player?

Yes, obviously.

Is he worth 12M?

Yes, obviously.

Is saying he’s not a 12M dollar player dismissing all passers in the league?

No, but your multiple posts dismissing playmaking impacts to overemphasize goals and create weird goal-related criteria and imaginary cap limits for playmakers is very dismissive of playmaking.

 

[ZEBROA]

You did, when you pretended that players need to hit some arbitrary goal mark to get paid, despite a long history of that not being true.

Yes, obviously.

Yes, obviously.

No, but your multiple posts dismissing playmaking impacts to overemphasize goals and create weird goal-related criteria and imaginary cap limits for playmakers is very dismissive of playmaking.

Why will Matthews get more pesos then Marner is it
A his playmaking ability
B His shoting ability.
C His overall ability.

I would guess B. And C... being a center that is. If they are somewhat equal on D etc. It must be the sniper skills that get u the extra money.

Only good at sniping or playmaking and not D, is another topic.

 

[Divine]

You did, when you pretended that players need to hit some arbitrary goal mark to get paid, despite a long history of that not being true.

Yes, obviously.

Yes, obviously.

No, but your multiple posts dismissing playmaking impacts to overemphasize goals and create weird goal-related criteria and imaginary cap limits for playmakers is very dismissive of playmaking.

That’s because he’s not a 12M dollar player. He can’t score at a high enough rate. He needs other players to score for him. I would prefer a player who can generate himself.. as would most.

 

[ToneDog]

One SOG 5v5 since Matty went on IR.

 

[ACC1224]

I remember hearing how Domi can easily replace what Marner brings.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Why will Matthews get more pesos then Marner

We don't know what Marner will get, but it's going to come down to his relative quality and overall impact, not his playstyle.

That’s because he’s not a 12M dollar player.

He is though. There's really no argument otherwise. There is no goal total or playstyle criteria to be paid like that. Playmaking is valuable, whether you want to admit it or not, and plenty of playmakers have made the equivalent and more without hitting 40 goals.

I would prefer a player who can generate himself.

He does generate himself. There's more to generating goals than who last touched the puck.

 

[thusk]

That’s because he’s not a 12M dollar player. He can’t score at a high enough rate. He needs other players to score for him. I would prefer a player who can generate himself.. as would most.

You know Marner since hes in the NHal producing goal at the same rate g/game than Stone, Larkin, Meier, miller, hyman, pavelski,

higher rate than Svechnikov, strutzle, keller, konecny, oreilly, kopitar, hischier, gaudreau

 

[Divine]

You know Marner since hes in the NHal producing goal at the same rate g/game than Stone, Larkin, Meier, miller, hyman, pavelski,

higher rate than Svechnikov, strutzle, keller, konecny, oreilly, kopitar, hischier, gaudreau

Great - can we get him at the cap hit as one of those players too?

 

[GoonieFace]

Just going to throw some 5v5 stats from this year.

I’ve heard a lot of Marner is carrying this team and AINEC

Goals - 2 193rd
Points - 9 60th
Primary assists - 3 93rd
Takeaways - 9 30th
XG/60 - .59 288th
Points per 60 - 1.99 127th
SOG/60 - 5.96 256th
Created x Goals - 1.8 241st
Assists/60 - 1.55 68th

 

[Raging Bull]

I remember hearing how Domi can easily replace what Marner brings.

That was my favorite. Per 60 stats!

 

[thewave]

Just going to throw some 5v5 stats from this year.

I’ve heard a lot of Marner is carrying this team and AINEC

Goals - 2 193rd
Points - 9 60th
Primary assists - 3 93rd
Takeaways - 9 30th
XG/60 - .59 288th
Points per 60 - 1.99 127th
SOG/60 - 5.96 256th
Created x Goals - 1.8 241st
Assists/60 - 1.55 68th

Ya he is way down the list. Nylander is bagging his lunch or something like that.

 

[Mess]

PLAYOFFS

Nate MacKinnon an elite #1C makes $12.6 mil AAV which is similar to what Mitch Marner is seeking.

In the past 8 seasons Nate is #1 in playoff goals scored with 46 goals and points at 1.28 P/GP.

Mitch Marner career playoff GOAL results in direct comparison and others that score at similar rates..

Which player MacKinnon or Marner would you rather be paying $12.6 mil AAV based on being a TRUE playoff performer?

Only a select few Leaf Fans believe the Leafs are getting similar Return on Investment that they would pay Marner what MacKinnon makes.

 

[francis246]

One SOG 5v5 since Matty went on IR.

5 and 1 record, since Matty went on IR and leads the team in scoring.

Just gonna leave this here so you understand no cares if he has one SOG on 5v5. It’s not affecting the overall outcomes of the games. It’s just something being thrown out there to distract and diminish what he has been doing well. Grasping at straws.

PLAYOFFS

Nate MacKinnon an elite #1C makes $12.6 mil AAV which is similar to what Mitch Marner is seeking.

In the past 8 seasons Nate is #1 in playoff goals scored with 46 goals and points at 1.28 P/GP.

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Mitch Marner career playoff GOAL results in direct comparison and others that score at similar rates..

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Which player MacKinnon or Marner would you rather be paying $12.6 mil AAV based on being a TRUE playoff performer?

No one here knows what Marner is asking. His agent hasn’t leaked anything and the team hasn’t leaked anything. This is just more speculative nonsense.

 

[Antropovsky]

5 and 1 record, since Matty went on IR and leads the team in scoring.

Just gonna leave this here so you understand no cares if he has one SOG on 5v5. It’s not affecting the overall outcomes of the games. It’s just something being thrown out there to distract and diminish what he has been doing well. Grasping at straws.



No one here knows what Marner is asking. His agent hasn’t leaked anything and the team hasn’t leaked anything. This is just more speculative nonsense.

@ToneDog dont listen to this poster. The only people who dont care are the Marner Only Fans.

1 5v5 shot in 6 games is abysmal.