Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Divine]

He had a career high of 30 goals when he got that contract. 40 goals did not factor into that contract. And you were given quite a few examples of players that never hit 40.

He won the Hart, eh? Sounds like hockey people don't dismiss playmaking like you're trying to.

Who said hockey people dismiss playmaking?

If Marner wins the Hart or Art Ross, he’d be asking for 15M.

Is Marner a good player? Yes.
Is he worth 12M? No.
Is saying he’s not a 12M dollar player dismissing all passers in the league? No.

Stop the strawman.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

Laughable, absolutely laughable analysis. I honestly don't know how you keep going when literally everyone else is applauding his performance. Even those who don't want to re-sign him are acknowledging how well he's playing right now.

Guys, Antroputz is right. Marner had zero impact on that McMann goal. Not only that, but he had nothing to do with the overtime winner, either.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Marner is playing great but it’s not the playoffs is it

 

[leafs in five]

must be the luckiest player in league history to accumulate over a PPG across almost 600 games played while not driving offense

 

[leafs in five]

Hate to break it to you, but Marner was not in the slot. He was outside of it.


View attachment 932112
View attachment 932113

did you get any radar readings on Marner's backward skating top speed/avg speed in the OT? I assume it's pretty pedestrian, maybe bottom quartile in the league, but would be good to have some data to back it up

 

[Confucius]

Marner is playing great but it’s not the playoffs is it

It is the games which we are playing at the moment, the ones providing current entertainment. You must be fun at parties, “Well this isn’t Christmas is it…”

 

[leafs in five]

imo Berube should send him out as a lone forward every once in a while even if we're supposed to be even strength, force him be the play driver. my prediction (backed up by some of the data posted itt) is that he would struggle to drive play in this scenario. which is pretty damning really

 

[Dekes For Days]

Who said hockey people dismiss playmaking?

You did, when you pretended that players need to hit some arbitrary goal mark to get paid, despite a long history of that not being true.

Is Marner a good player?

Yes, obviously.

Is he worth 12M?

Yes, obviously.

Is saying he’s not a 12M dollar player dismissing all passers in the league?

No, but your multiple posts dismissing playmaking impacts to overemphasize goals and create weird goal-related criteria and imaginary cap limits for playmakers is very dismissive of playmaking.

 

[ZEBROA]

You did, when you pretended that players need to hit some arbitrary goal mark to get paid, despite a long history of that not being true.

Yes, obviously.

Yes, obviously.

No, but your multiple posts dismissing playmaking impacts to overemphasize goals and create weird goal-related criteria and imaginary cap limits for playmakers is very dismissive of playmaking.

Why will Matthews get more pesos then Marner is it
A his playmaking ability
B His shoting ability.
C His overall ability.

I would guess B. And C... being a center that is. If they are somewhat equal on D etc. It must be the sniper skills that get u the extra money.

Only good at sniping or playmaking and not D, is another topic.