Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[notDatsyuk]

Marner didn't get "a few" Selke votes, he finished 3rd. Come on let's be fair.

Also, anyone with eyes knows he's an excellent PKer. Berube is literally double shifting him some PKs this year, he's our best forward ainec. We don't have to downplay his attributes. He's a stud PKer and one of the best defensive forwards in the game. Stick to wilting in the playoffs and being too fancy at times, that's where reality lives.

How long ago was that? Last year he got 6 out of 970 votes, including 1 first (out of 194). Come on let's be fair.

 

[DarkKnight]

How long ago was that? Last year he got 6 out of 970 votes, including 1 first (out of 194). Come on let's be fair.

Way way way back in 2023. Laughable you diminish the first Leaf in 30 years to be a finalist. Fairly boring.

 

[Maple Leaf]

this dude needs to show up in the playoff competitions to get the monkey off his back if you know what I mean?

 

[Lightsol]

If Marner were to get more than Nylander amd I were Nylander, I would feel under appreciated and that's weird to say considering they are all overpaid now as is.

That's making the assumption that Marner and Nylander have tracked similarly pointswise for the entire length of their contracts, as opposed to the last two years only.

 

[Lightsol]

If you lose your last game in the playoffs nobody cares what happened in the regular season.

Funny how this rule applies to Marner and no one else on this team...

 

[Gabriel426]

Funny how this rule applies to Marner and no one else on this team...

It applied to AM, Willie, JT and even Reilly.

The difference is that, those four mentioned didn't have a group of diehard fans or security to defend them, thus the discussions didn't last long.

 

[ZEBROA]

Lets trade him for Dahlin. Just for the fun of watching who will be thriving the most in the new environment. Seems like almost the same love hate ratio between fans. The 4 fans of Buffalo and our 4mill.

 

[Smif]

It applied to AM, Willie, JT and even Reilly.

The difference is that, those four mentioned didn't have a group of diehard fans or security to defend them, thus the discussions didn't last long.

On the contrary imo. The Marner hate is still ongoing because of a few diehards that still won't shut up about his playoff performance no matter how well he's playing right now.

One guy in particular went as far as bringing up Marner not producing 5 on 5 in a game ythat JUST finished where he scored the game tying goal on the PP and assisting on the GWG because it was 3.on 3 in OT.

The hate has completely blinded some.

 

[Antropovsky]

If Matthews was carrying Marner at 5v5 like you try to say, tell me why he didn't producing more than Marner/60 in last 6 year considerating marner played much more time in any defensive situation than matthews.

Again,i don't know where MATTHEWS stats have to do with Marner. Even without Matthews marner was producing at same rate. For me the only thing that showing is both are able to play at high level even if they dont play together...

and get easier matchup just help Matthews to boost his stats especially against bottom team but not necessairly the case against good team. Should be extremely interesting to see the same kind of stats against contender team, i'm pretty sure you would be extremely surprise of stats you would find.

Lol....very easy to explain:

why did you choose the last 6 years? Why not last 5? Because you are well aware Matthews had more p/60 5v5 the last 5 years but that 6th year (2019) hurt his stats.

Because his linemates were absolute garbage.

Matthews linemates:
509 mins with two of these three Johnsson, Marleau and Kapanen

Meanwhile

Marners linemates: 809 mins with Tavares and Hyman.

Tavares was so good in 2019 that he received 7 votes for the Hart, good enough for 17th. Marner didn't get any.

Lol and you Marner fans are accusing others of "cherry picking?

 

[arso40]

Being more physical and engaging more towards the dirty areas (like he used to) is the difference people have been waiting for from Marner.

And the speculation has been - amongst a number of us - that a different (i.e. firmer) coach might make help him return to form.

Regarding Marner's inconsistencies, that's the crux of previous criticism and present praise.

I'm missing the point (and Antropov's for liking it) you're trying to make.

Basically don’t sing praises til we see the playoffs

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

You ever notice Marner talking about keeping it light and fun.

I can't believe a professional hockey player earning millions of dollars would say this. Like he's some fat retired old man playing in a beer league. To Mitch it's all about not stressing and just having fun.

Winning is only a secondary consideration at best.

A far cry from the philosophy of real champions. There's a difference between the mindset Marner has and the mindset players like Messier, Yzerman, and Trottier possessed. If asked why they played fun would not be their answer.

So hard to believe it was just a few short years ago I still thought this team was gonna win the cup.

The sad thing is the first time I said that was a few years ago. It's no longer been a "few short years". It's now been years since I thought this team was gonna win a cup... period.

And with players like Marner who don't have a problem with losing around it's easy to see why.

 

[francis246]

You ever notice Marner talking about keeping it light and fun.

I can't believe a professional hockey player earning millions of dollars would say this. Like he's some fat retired old man playing in a beer league. To Mitch it's all about not stressing and just having fun.

Winning is only a secondary consideration at best.

A far cry from the philosophy of real champions. There's a difference between the mindset Marner has and the mindset players like Messier, Yzerman, and Trottier possessed. If asked why they played fun would not be their answer.

So hard to believe it was just a few short years ago I still thought this team was gonna win the cup.

The sad thing is the first time I said that was a few years ago. It's no longer been a "few short years". It's now been years since I thought this team was gonna win a cup... period.

And with players like Marner who don't have a problem with losing around it's easy to see why.

You see every leaf say say the same shit. Craig Berube says the same things as well in his press conference. We need to stop being so up Marner’s ass about the keeping it light and having fun. It’s very clear that is an organizational view point. It’s the same consistent messaging from all the players which means that is what is being said to the players as a tool to help relieve pressure. I honestly have no problem with that. Like I’ve mentioned before I’ve had the amazing opportunity to play a pro sport in Europe and that messaging isn’t far fetched. I don’t know why it bothers people so much.

It’s been 8 years of playoff failure, no sport psychologist or any high performance coach would be advising them to say anything different. They need to have fun, they do need to keep it light and just go out there and play a north south game. Them saying those things does not mean that winning is secondary, it means they have been so consumed with the thought and pressure of winning that it’s actually beginning to affect their ability to do just that, win. If you’ve never played anything at an extremely high level with a ton of pressure points I don’t expect you to understand the logic but that does happen to teams/players.

 

[thusk]

Lol....very easy to explain:

why did you choose the last 6 years? Why not last 5? Because you are well aware Matthews had more p/60 5v5 the last 5 years but that 6th year (2019) hurt his stats.

Because his linemates were absolute garbage.

Matthews linemates:
509 mins with two of these three Johnsson, Marleau and Kapanen

Meanwhile

Marners linemates: 809 mins with Tavares and Hyman.

Tavares was so good in 2019 that he received 7 votes for the Hart, good enough for 17th. Marner didn't get any.

Lol and you Marner fans are accusing others of "cherry picking?

hahaha

Last 5 Marner and Matthews still 3 and 4th averaging basically the same kind of production

last 4 year they still both in top 4 2nd and 4th with pretty similar production...

Yeah for sure it's certainly 2019 the only reason of all this, you're right....... nice joke

 

[francis246]

You ever notice Marner talking about keeping it light and fun.

I can't believe a professional hockey player earning millions of dollars would say this. Like he's some fat retired old man playing in a beer league. To Mitch it's all about not stressing and just having fun.

Winning is only a secondary consideration at best.

A far cry from the philosophy of real champions. There's a difference between the mindset Marner has and the mindset players like Messier, Yzerman, and Trottier possessed. If asked why they played fun would not be their answer.

So hard to believe it was just a few short years ago I still thought this team was gonna win the cup.

The sad thing is the first time I said that was a few years ago. It's no longer been a "few short years". It's now been years since I thought this team was gonna win a cup... period.

And with players like Marner who don't have a problem with losing around it's easy to see why.

I also clicked on your links. Your linking an article from November 2016 (1 month into their rookie season mind you) that very clearly states MATTHEWS AND MARNER discuss their Karaoke memoment. So where is too much fun tirade bullshit for Matthews?

And then your other article is from 2022. neither article even remotely talk to the context you’re trying to spin by the way.. just another dumb take.

 

[ACC1224]

In contract season, Maple Leafs' Marner getting it done on the ice

Mitch Marner is on pace for 100 points for the Maple Leafs this season, nicely putting any contract thoughts to the side.

torontosun.com

In 2024-25, it’s Mitch Marner who has ably parked any potential contract distraction to the side.

With a team-high 22 points in 18 games, Marner is on pace for exactly 100 points, which would mark his first century-mark season in the National Hockey League.

 

[DarkKnight]

I also clicked on your links. Your linking an article from November 2016 (1 month into their rookie season mind you) that very clearly states MATTHEWS AND MARNER discuss their Karaoke memoment. So where is too much fun tirade bullshit for Matthews?

And then your other article is from 2022. neither article even remotely talk to the context you’re trying to spin by the way.. just another dumb take.

And that Mylander he never keeps it light and fun either. What an asinine criticism. His teammates applaud his attempts to bring the team together and keep it light, so I guess they're all losers...oh wait.

On no the most jaded, toxic, negative, hates his life Leafs fan has another toxic, negative, hateful take on another Leaf topic, stunning! So much projection on here, it isn't the Leafs fault, go look in a mirror, it starts and ends there. Hockey is just a release valve.

 

[francis246]

And that Mylander he never keeps it light and fun either. What an asinine criticism. His teammates applaud his attempts to bring the team together and keep it light, so I guess they're all losers...oh wait.

On no the most jaded, toxic, negative, hates his life Leafs fan has another toxic, negative, hateful take on another Leaf topic, stunning! So much projection on here, it isn't the Leafs fault, go look in a mirror, it starts and ends there. Hockey is just a release valve.

I have to agree 100% with this. This is classic projection. I don’t understand why anyone would remotely have a problem with anything Mitch is doing off-ice. People act like MacKinnon, Crosby, any other cup champion doesn’t have fun. They absolutely do. We’re just not in the market so we don’t see all their sound bites. All you have to go do is listen to one spitting chicklets episode. Back in the day they were out in the Stanley cup playoffs until about 5 am doing all kinds of drugs and drinking and then slipping the trainer a couple hundred not to snitch.

Friggin McDavid was buying beers in the MIDDLE OF A SERIES after a win. Do people think he was gonna drink them later lmfao? No they were drinking them that night. People need to get a grip.

 

[DarkKnight]

I have to agree 100% with this. This is classic projection. I don’t understand why anyone would remotely have a problem with anything Mitch is doing off-ice. People act like MacKinnon, Crosby, any other cup champion doesn’t have fun. They absolutely do. We’re just not in the market so we don’t see all their sound bites. All you have to go do is listen to one spitting chicklets episode. Friggin McDavid was buying beers in the MIDDLE OF A SERIES after a win. Do people think he was gonna drink them later lmfao? No they were drinking them that night. People need to get a grip.

His teammates love the guy, his coaches praise his work ethic. Some guy who hates his job and people avoid in the real world, why is that Marner's problem? Social media is a strange place. Maybe the problem is they were never invited to the parties, but that's above my pay grade.

Just change the narrative come playoffs, that's all he can control. I still have hope there, that's why I watch.

 

[francis246]

His teammates love the guy, his coaches praise his work ethic. Some guy who hates his job and people avoid in the real world, why is that Marner's problem? Social media is a strange place. Maybe the problem is they were never invited to the parties, but that's above my pay grade.

Just change the narrative come playoffs, that's all he can control. I still have hope there, that's why I watch.

Agreed, he needs to have a banger playoffs so there’s nothing left for people to say.

It’s unfortunate but his last negotiation honestly screwed him. His play isn’t the problem. He’s never going to recover from the PR nightmare of his last negotiation. People cannot and will not accept that the hometown guy took the GM to the cleaners and didn’t sign for a discount. It honestly doesn’t matter what Marner does I think that situation will make him dead to a lot of fans not matter what even if they win a cup.

 

[ACC1224]

His teammates love the guy, his coaches praise his work ethic. Some guy who hates his job and people avoid in the real world, why is that Marner's problem? Social media is a strange place. Maybe the problem is they were never invited to the parties, but that's above my pay grade.

Just change the narrative come playoffs, that's all he can control. I still have hope there, that's why I watch.

Watching the Team come out of the tunnel before periods gives you a really good indication of where he fits in the room.
Fans can have their opinions on his play but there is no denying how the team and his teammates feel about him.

 

[Nineteen67]

His teammates love the guy, his coaches praise his work ethic. Some guy who hates his job and people avoid in the real world, why is that Marner's problem? Social media is a strange place. Maybe the problem is they were never invited to the parties, but that's above my pay grade.

Just change the narrative come playoffs, that's all he can control. I still have hope there, that's why I watch.

Hopefully he realizes that he won’t get a contract extension with the Leafs until he proves he can play in the playoffs. They can negotiate this season and if he meets the agreed upon parameters then he re-signs, if not then they let him walk. Trading him seems unlikely, but if tgey can’t agree on contract that is an option, too.

 

[Roo]

Dude is getting resigned 100% and some fans are just going to have to deal with it. It's very obvious he's our most important player after Matthews, and his ice time proves that. There may have been a question about how he would fit in a Berube system, but I think we have that answer already.

 

[Roo]

Hopefully he realizes that he won’t get a contract extension with the Leafs until he proves he can play in the playoffs. They can negotiate this season and if he meets the agreed upon parameters then he re-signs, if not then they let him walk. Trading him seems unlikely, but if tgey can’t agree on contract that is an option, too.

He's already proven he can play in the playoffs. Some of his postseasons haven't been good, sure, but others have. The Leafs mgmt arent stupid. They know he was coming off a major injury last postseason. They will take the entire body of work into consideration when making a major decision like this.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

And that Mylander he never keeps it light and fun either. What an asinine criticism. His teammates applaud his attempts to bring the team together and keep it light, so I guess they're all losers...oh wait.

On no the most jaded, toxic, negative, hates his life Leafs fan has another toxic, negative, hateful take on another Leaf topic, stunning! So much projection on here, it isn't the Leafs fault, go look in a mirror, it starts and ends there. Hockey is just a release valve.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but your words will never hurt me.

That's because I'm rubber, and you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

 

[ACC1224]

Hopefully he realizes that he won’t get a contract extension with the Leafs until he proves he can play in the playoffs. They can negotiate this season and if he meets the agreed upon parameters then he re-signs, if not then they let him walk. Trading him seems unlikely, but if tgey can’t agree on contract that is an option, too.

I don't think that's the case at all. The decision to retain or let him walk won't be made over a few games.

He's already proven he can play in the playoffs. Some of his postseasons haven't been good, sure, but others have. The Leafs mgmt arent stupid. They know he was coming off a major injury last postseason. They will take the entire body of work into consideration when making a major decision like this.

This guy gets it.