Dear jebus, some of you people are obsessed with using small sample sizes to make your points. Why don't you just go back a few years and look at the numbers to see the long term trends. I'm not going to do the work for you. Also note that Marners ALWAYS plays against the Crobys etc.
Yes it's a very small sample size for that stat or any other for that matter. There is a new coach, Matthews was hurt for a while, Marner always plays against the best etc etc. Just look up the longer term or career numbers and will see very clear trends. If you think that Marner has played poorly this season because a few teammates have better +/- then I can't help you anymore.
Plus minus is a mind numbing stat some of the best players in the league have bad plus minus stats
The best stat for this type of comparison is 5v5 GF/60 and GA/60 with a large sample. It allows for uneven ice time due to injuries but requires context. In this case we only have two top right wingers and two top centers so it a reasonable comparison but not perfect.
| GP | TOI | GF | GA | +/- | GF/60 | GA/60 | GF% | ||
| Auston Matthews | Mitchell Marner | 205 | 1808 | 120 | 74 | 46 | 3.98 | 2.46 | 61.86 |
| John Tavares | Mitchell Marner | 215 | 889 | 45 | 29 | 16 | 3.04 | 1.96 | 60.81 |
| Auston Matthews | William Nylander | 227 | 829 | 50 | 33 | 17 | 3.62 | 2.39 | 60.24 |
| John Tavares | William Nylander | 237 | 1559 | 72 | 83 | -11 | 2.77 | 3.19 | 46.45 |
As a so called "hater", I do not want to see the team overpay the last amigo a second time. I was in the do not pay Nylander more than $10m camp and they caved to his demand of $11.5m. He's scoring goals but what happened to his playmaking and the 120 point pace he was on when Leafs caved?
To be fair, you can playmake all you want, but if players can’t finish, your assist numbers will suffer.
Agreed but Willie was scoring and setting up goals last year. His goal scoring pace has slightly increased compared to last year but his assists have dropped significantly. This time last year, he was in the top 5 in scoring. This year is 24th with 9 of his 15 assists on the PP. Willie is capable of much more.
That’s why no one’s be pays much attention to them and their whacky takes. Really just looking for attention at this point
I don’t put you in that category bro, you come by your take honestly and argue it rationally.. It’s completely valid to argue they overpay, all of them. I’ve just resigned myself to “all in” with this core, I think this year affords a really good chance to rewrite some narratives.
Matchups are hard to factor in as well. Opposing teams zero in on the top line with their best, and with the defensive considerations, zone starts as well play a role too.
I think its more a case of people are finally opening their eyes, Andy Van Hellemond was a total sleazebag he took money from probably everyone and I'm pretty sure eventually went to jail.
