Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[Confucius]

Yeah, why be informed when ignorance seems to be the chosen path.

You’re starting to get nasty, have a good day

 

[Gary Nylund]

You’re continuing to be nasty, have a good day

FYP.

 

[Maple Leaf]

You guys get worked up a lot about marner it has been 8 years old news nothing will change cya next year

 

[Gary Nylund]

You guys get worked up a lot about marner it has been 8 years old news nothing will change cya next year

The only time something could change is in the playoffs. Some people still seem to think that Marner's worth raving about early in the regular season though, it is what it is.

 

[ToneDog]

The only time something could change is in the playoffs. Some people still seem to think that Marner's worth raving about early in the regular season though, it is what it is.

Does this look like a $13m player?

How about this?

 

[Sypher04]

Assuming that’s McDavid he’s probably a 16-17 million dollar player, soooo

 

[ToneDog]

Assuming that’s McDavid he’s probably a 16-17 million dollar player, soooo

Nah, it is Drai who had an 8.5m cap hit for 8 years before hitting it out of the park and being rewarded for outperforming him last deal. Marner who did not perform to his last cap hit isn't close to this guy but will argue he deserves to be paid close to him. Mitch with 1 goal in his last 10 games and we wonder why Leafs depth is a non factor in the playoffs.

 

[Confucius]

Does this look like a $13m player?

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How about this?

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Is there a big difference here besides the fact William scores a ton more goals and some consider him overpaid at 11.5

 

[666]

Does this look like a $13m player?

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How about this?

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Typical hater nonsense using super small sample sizes. You guys need a lesson in logic.

 

[francis246]

Nah, it is Drai who had an 8.5m cap hit for 8 years before hitting it out of the park and being rewarded for outperforming him last deal. Marner who did not perform to his last cap hit isn't close to this guy but will argue he deserves to be paid close to him. Mitch with 1 goal in his last 10 games and we wonder why Leafs depth is a non factor in the playoffs.

When Draisaitl signed his extension he had a career high of 77 and hadn’t scored 30 goals. No body thought his 8.5 deal was a steal at the time he signed it. It wasn’t until 2 seasons later when he scored 105 that people started saying that deal was a steal. You can’t keep going back and comparing deals in hindsight cause valuations are all over the place when guys sign.

 

[francis246]

Nah, it is Drai who had an 8.5m cap hit for 8 years before hitting it out of the park and being rewarded for outperforming him last deal. Marner who did not perform to his last cap hit isn't close to this guy but will argue he deserves to be paid close to him. Mitch with 1 goal in his last 10 games and we wonder why Leafs depth is a non factor in the playoffs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EdmontonOilers/s/QtVsST6ZRE

Just read this thread of when the extension happened

 

[ToneDog]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EdmontonOilers/s/QtVsST6ZRE

Just read this thread of when the extension happened

Yup, I thought it was an overpay at the time but it was a gamble that paid off in spades. Same looks to be true for Jack Hughes. Leafs blew it with their RFAs and now they are paying for it a second time.

Even so. Draisaitl @ 14.25m (eek) or Marner at $13m? I'd plug my nose and take the big strong, goal scoring centre and playoff beast. Sorry Marner @ $13m is a joke IMO.

 

[666]

Is there a big difference here besides the fact William scores a ton more goals and some consider him overpaid at 11.5
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Finally, a hater with a large sample size. Unfortunately you're completely ignoring Nylander's dismal defence. While using +/- is frowned upon when comparing two right wingers on the same team it's at least a reasonable context and in this case it should give you a hint as to how horrible Nylander is defensively. To even consider comparing Nylander to Marner during the regular season is absurd. Do you guys even watch the defensive zone?

 

[francis246]

Yup, I thought it was an overpay at the time but it was a gamble that paid off in spades. Same looks to be true for Jack Hughes. Leafs blew it with their RFAs and now they are paying for it a second time.

The leafs f***ed up by signing Matthews first. I honestly have no idea why we hyper focus so much on Marner and his contract. The initial Matthews extension set this organization on a brutal path with our RFA’s. They paid him far too much especially in a season where he didn’t our pace Marner. Doing that gave Marner the ammo to also ask for more than what he was probably worth at the time. Just bad negotiating all around.

 

[666]

Yup, I thought it was an overpay at the time but it was a gamble that paid off in spades. Same looks to be true for Jack Hughes. Leafs blew it with their RFAs and now they are paying for it a second time.

Even so. Draisaitl @ 14.25m (eek) or Marner at $13m? I'd plug my nose and take the big strong, goal scoring centre and playoff beast. Sorry Marner @ $13m is a joke IMO.

Drai is dependent on the power play and ice-time to get his points.

Last 3 full seasons to get the samples up but avoid the Covid years 5v5 points / 60 to allow for uneven playing time:

	Player	Team	Position	GP	TOI	TOI/GP	Total Points/60
1​	Nathan MacKinnon	COL	C	218	3610.2	16.6	3.22
2​	Auston Matthews	TOR	C	228	3562.4	15.6	3.01
3​	Mitchell Marner	TOR	C, R	221	3205.1	14.5	2.98
4​	Connor McDavid	EDM	C	238	3869.3	16.3	2.93
5​	Matthew Tkachuk	CGY, FLA	L	241	3338.6	13.9	2.89
6​	David Pastrnak	BOS	R	236	3383.1	14.3	2.87
7​	Nikita Kucherov	T.B	R	210	3239.3	15.4	2.83
8​	Jason Robertson	DAL	L	238	3451.4	14.5	2.63
9​	Nikolaj Ehlers	WPG	L	189	2534.7	13.4	2.63
10​	Artemi Panarin	NYR	L	239	3620.0	15.1	2.62
11​	Jesper Bratt	N.J	L	240	3268.6	13.6	2.62
12​	Jeff Skinner	BUF	L	233	3109.1	13.3	2.61
13​	Filip Forsberg	NSH	L	201	2738.2	13.6	2.59
14​	Vladimir Tarasenko	FLA, NYR, OTT, STL	R	220	2881.0	13.1	2.56
15​	Sidney Crosby	PIT	C	233	3535.6	15.2	2.56
16​	Tage Thompson	BUF	C, R	227	3064.5	13.5	2.55
17​	Carter Verhaeghe	FLA	C	235	3259.0	13.9	2.54
18​	Alex Tuch	BUF	R	199	2713.1	13.6	2.54
19​	Nico Hischier	N.J	C	222	2983.4	13.4	2.53
20​	Leon Draisaitl	EDM	C	241	3811.1	15.8	2.52
21​	Kirill Kaprizov	MIN	L	223	3393.0	15.2	2.51
22​	Brayden Point	T.B	C	229	3379.2	14.8	2.49
23​	Kevin Fiala	L.A, MIN	L	233	3121.7	13.4	2.48
24​	Jack Hughes	N.J	C	189	2928.3	15.5	2.48
25​	Aleksander Barkov	FLA	C	208	2724.7	13.1	2.47
26​	Jordan Kyrou	STL	C	235	3304.9	14.1	2.47
27​	Johnny Gaudreau	CBJ, CGY	L	243	3582.0	14.7	2.46
28​	Robert Thomas	STL	C	227	3217.8	14.2	2.41
29​	Nazem Kadri	CGY, COL	C	235	3205.7	13.6	2.40
30​	Elias Pettersson	VAN	C	242	3279.6	13.6	2.40
31​	Michael Bunting	CAR, PIT, TOR	L	242	3221.4	13.3	2.37
32​	Steven Stamkos	T.B	C	241	3241.2	13.4	2.37
33​	Brock Nelson	NYI	C	236	3239.8	13.7	2.37
34​	Mikko Rantanen	COL	R	237	3898.4	16.4	2.35
35​	William Nylander	TOR	C, R	245	3415.8	13.9	2.35