socko
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Zero chance Matthews ever gets as many assists as he should playing with Marner.
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Northernguy10
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Little chance Matthews and Marner get as many points as they should without each other.
Notsince67
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Because it is more important that he gets assists -seems to be what you are implying.
socko
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Matthews P60 hasn't changed much since he played with Nylander. And Nylander is a better player now. So I'll just disagree here.
this is such an ignorant post. of course he knows, i swear some of you think these athletes are idiots or don't realize when they aren't producing. It's not their job to appease you in media availability or give you the exact answer you want to hear in an interview. The only obligation they have is to be available when requested or expected by the team that's it.
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Gary Nylund
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Really not sure what you're trying to say here. Anyone can pass the puck so who needs Marner?
Notsince67
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Anyone can stand on ice so who needs McDavid?...by that logic
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This isn't an end of season presser though. Interviews like the one Marner is currently in are restricted to present game samples. So the context there is first 4 games of the season. If reporter wants to go deep they'll get shut down by literally any player or coach in the league not just Marner.
I'd be concerned if Marner wasn't confident 4 games in and told the reporter "I know man, I stink. I'm working on it".
I'd rather the top guys who need to put the team on their back come off cocky 4 games into the season. Just have that inside knowledge like "chill, massive win streak coming relax dudes".
the only problem with that is that marner cant put the team on his back and is being paid as if he regularly does.
socko
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You put Matthews in Bergeron's position and give him Pasta and Marchand and I think the entire narrative around him changes. He's no longer an elite goal scorer, he's now an elite hockey player. He would likely have more assists than goals. Lets say his goal scoring even drops by 5 (which could happen but is not likely IMO) but he gets 20+ more assists, yes he's going to be pretty happy. Also a much better PP he would be on.
Notsince67
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Say what?
Of all goals scored in the regular season last year, he had a primary point in 28.9% of them.
Over the last 3 years 5v5:
Pasta/Bergeron/Marchand:
xGF%: 60.51
Goal differential: 62.08 (4.08/60 for - 2.49/60 against)
Hyman/Matthews/Marner:
xGF%: 59.54
Goal differential: 62.87 (4.07/60 for - 2.4/60 against)
Not much to choose from looking at their overall underlying stats and end results.
Considering Matthews is a bizarrely underwhelming PP player as the go-to guy compared with his 5v5 numbers, I'm not sure what would change either way. Going by scoring chances/expected goals/shots etc.., the Leafs are the best team in hockey over that 3 years but only score at the 10th best rate and at least some of that has to lie at the feet of the guy they expect to finish the chances. I can see him bouncing back somewhat this year though.
hahahha
what a joke of a response??
i asked a simple question
you don't know me from adam ... so i don't appreciate being called ignorant
a simple question ... his body language and childish type responses remind me of a petulant child much of the time ... that is an opinion... something i assumed folks could state on a message board
let's see if i get this right - "you must agree with me or"
1_ ignorant post
2...strawman argument
3... deflect legitimate questions
i will ensure i study the manual before dare asking a question so as to not waste your valuable time
geesh, "i swear some of you" are carried away by your own importance
cheers, have a good day...
ps- some of them are idiots
Notsince67
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That doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. What you are implying is that Matthews hasn't even developed as a player...a point you could have used for your argument if your intent was to communicate something honestly.
socko
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How exactly is it that raw statisitcs don't make sense? And honesty, is saying that Marner is overhyped by the Toronto media machine. Much like Tavares. Whereas good players like Aho, don't get the credit they deserve.
ESP/60 for Auston Matthews:
2017-18: 3.033
2018-19: 2.931
2019-20: 2.658
2020-21: 3.368
And I agree with you, that is pretty disappointing improvement for a guy entering his prime. But he scored 40 goals as a rookie and he plays with guys who can only score garbage goals (and even there, they're not very good at it), so that is pretty limiting.
How does the phrase “some of you” equate to anything about my importance? Literally some of you come on here daily and bash him and take personal shots. He sucked ass in the playoffs for sure , but to continually say oh he doesn’t care or he’s not for the team isn’t true or at least we don’t know it to be.
when you have a whole town shitting on you and reporters saying you should be traded would you want to answer their questions?
the reason I called it ignorant was because you simply cannot infer anything from 25 seconds of a clip on YouTube. The way he answered the question is not an indicator of anything. Yet people use media availability as the standard for determining whether a player cares or not
No amount of money in this world makes you exempt from emotions… it’s something we all have rich, poor, middle class.
I’d do some more research into the Marner and his dad situation. The family wasn’t rich like most people are claiming, lost their home in a fire. There’s a lot of personal struggles there
also isn’t it ironic that you feel this way about me quote replying to you and then you come on here and do the exact same thing to Mitch Marner. LOL what an absolute joke.
you don’t know him from Adam either right? haha
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I think a person who's set for life financially at such a young age can learn to be apathetic if he wants to with the media...he certainly doesn't downplay his social media vacation pics for everyone to see.
I don't pretend to know whether the Marners are rich or not...I do remember the offersheet tour Marner's camp was hyping at the time.
Northernguy10
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....But since Marner plays more minutes than Nylander = more points for both he and Matthews.
that is his team, not him. Do a bit of research, many players have openly admitted they let their agents deal with everything and the agent just calls them for final approval. It’s well documented. I really do think if you asked Marner in a candid moment there is no where else he’d rather be. He is def overpaid but that’s on Dubas. If someone says here, have 11 million would you say no?
at the end of the day I think this year the leafs will make it past the first round and this discussion will be over with.
also why do you care so much about what he posts on social media. It’s actually so weird that anyone gives a rats ass about that kind of stuff. Again it’s a snap shot of a moment in his life. Unfollow him if you don’t like it. Matthews probably takes the most trips on the team and not a single peep about his IG. Marner posted an engagement photo and ppll were pissed. Not all NHL athletes are going to post them ripping pucks at the rink.
CabanaBoy5
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We don't know Marner personally, we can only glean parts of his personality from watching him play, what is told to us by media, and how he comports himself in public. From there, we each put together a personality file in our heads of what that person is like. We do this for everybody. How well do you really know anyone? People have all kinds of skeletons in their closets, but we make inferences from what they show us. Doesn't mean what we see is always accurate.
From what we've seen of Marner, and what we've learned in the past 3 years, he comes across as an arrogant, petulent, immature person. Jack Campbell on the other hand, comes across as the hockey version of Mother Theresa who sees good in all people. How accurate is either view? Who knows.
From what we've seen of Marner, and what we've learned in the past 3 years, he comes across as an arrogant, petulent, immature person. Jack Campbell on the other hand, comes across as the hockey version of Mother Theresa who sees good in all people. How accurate is either view? Who knows.
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