Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[ACC1224]

I guess, but I'm not sure I follow the logic. Colorado is a worse team today but they get to pound their chest because they kept their salary structure intact? Isn't the idea to assemble the best players you can in order to win? Colorado is farther away from winning now than they were a few hours ago.

As for Carolina, my guess is that they will lose MR to free agency, lose in the second or third round as they always do because they still refuse to upgrade their goaltending, and be left with Taylor Hall. Meanwhile, Vegas will somehow find a way to sign MR on July 1.

Obviously they’re worse but it seems like it was let him walk or get something for him. Wonder how Avalanche fans are viewing Rantanen now?

People thinking the Leafs are going to give Rantanen more than Matthews.

 

[ToneDog]

Obviously they’re worse but it seems like it was let him walk or get something for him. Wonder how Avalanche fans are viewing Rantanen now?

People thinking the Leafs are going to give Rantanen more than Matthews.

More than Mac and less than Matty might work.

 

[Gabriel426]

This is going to go so badly for Carolina. He will not resign there, and they will have given up significant assets for nothing. Sweet trade.

If Canes end up winning the Cup. Who cares if he walks.

Maybe Sakic is willing to take a step back to take two steps forward. He's got a cost controlled Necas who might explode playing with MacKinnon.

Avs is not done. As we just know they are going after another C, could be Miller or Sid or even both with the extra picks plus cap space.
Canes definitely won the trade at this moment.

 

[ACC1224]

If Canes end up winning the Cup. Who cares if he walks.

Exactly.
All in is all in, no regrets.

 

[BTP]

Suddenly Avs look A LOT less scary.

Edmonton is super happy I bet

 

[Gabriel426]

Suddenly Avs look A LOT less scary.

Edmonton is super happy I bet

Until they get Sid, lol

 

[ToneDog]

If Canes end up winning the Cup. Who cares if he walks.


Avs is not done. As we just know they are going after another C, could be Miller or Sid or even both with the extra picks plus cap space.
Canes definitely won the trade at this moment.

Canes have been playoff losers like but not as bad as the Leafs but have balls to make such a bold move. Hate to give up Necas for a rental.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Avs dont even want one winger to have a big cap hit and Toronto thinking about two.

Nah we can't do this again...ffs.

 

[Gabriel426]

Canes have been playoff losers like but not as bad as the Leafs but have balls to make such a bold move. Hate to give up Necas for a rental.

Diff between Canes and us is that on paper, we got more game breaking talents like AM, MM and Willie, while the Canes are made of whole bunch of really really good players.

In a way, Canes is like the Raptors before the Kawhi trade. Now they have Rantanen who is a top 10 player in the league and hope he is someone who can bring them over the hump.

 

[Antropovsky]

Colorado just traded Rantanen but we can't trade Marner because he's too valuable. I'd have offered Marner straight up for him but Marner wouldn't waive his NTC knowing we're getting a better player

Rantanen was traded! What you are telling me not every GM is stupid enough to give their RFAs full NMC in their UFA year?

Lol good job "Boy Wonder"

 

[ToneDog]

Rantanen was traded! What you are telling me not every GM is stupid enough to give their RFAs full NMC in their UFA year?

Lol good job "Boy Wonder"

There's only one Boy Wonder and thank God he is no longer here.

 

[PromisedLand]

just saw rantanen got traded by Avs; meanwhile Leafs continue to "Run it back!"

LOL

 

[Antropovsky]

just saw rantanen got traded by Avs; meanwhile Leafs continue to "Run it back!"

LOL

What does this do for Marners negotiations?

 

[Antropovsky]

just saw rantanen got traded by Avs; meanwhile Leafs continue to "Run it back!"

LOL

Not here to sell jerseys!

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

What does this do for Marners negotiations?

Probably nothing. Tre isn't Sakic. Ferris will borrow Gross's paddle and get the number they feel is appropriate.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

just saw rantanen got traded by Avs; meanwhile Leafs continue to "Run it back!"

LOL

Unfortunately it's too late for that, unless management gets uncharacteristically cutthroat and forces Marner's hand to waive his NMC. The time to really blow up this core was after the 2021 debacle.

 

[Hallonbroder]

This big trade between two real sports franchises (that win and are trying to win more) really shows how badly the Leafs have been run for a long time.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Nothing would say "we don't care about winning a cup" more than bringing Marner back.

Sakic is a savvy GM. He was able to make the Ranatanen trade because he didn't handcuff himself with a NMC. Over a million bucks a year while maintaining the flexibility to recover assets.

That's difference between a good GM and Dubas.

The Leafs have painted themselves into a corner. Losing Marner for no return should be a fireable offense for Shanahan. The opportunity was there to make a major move and he did not.

The ground is quickly shrinking beneath his feet as a result.

Now he's backed himself into a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. Re-signing Marner pretty much guarantees this team will remain mediocre. Letting him walk would be the worst asset management since I spent my allowance on comic books as a kid.

At least Batman was worth hero worshipping because he actually won.

 

[ToneDog]

Nothing would say "we don't care about winning a cup" more than bringing Marner back.

Sakic is a savvy GM. He was able to make the Ranatanen trade because he didn't handcuff himself with a NMC. Over a million bucks a year while maintaining the flexibility to recover assets.

That's difference between a good GM and Dubas.

The Leafs have painted themselves into a corner. Losing Marner for no return should be a fireable offense for Shanahan. The opportunity was there to make a major move and he did not.

The ground is quickly shrinking beneath his feet as a result.

Now he's backed himself into a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. Re-signing Marner pretty much guarantees this team will remain mediocre. Letting him walk would be the worst asset management since I spent my allowance on comic books as a kid.

At least Batman was worth hero worshipping because he actually won.

Shanny will overpay. Sakic moved Ranta. One has a cup, the other has one win in 9.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Shanny will overpay. Sakic moved Ranta. One has a cup, the other has one win in 9.

What do you mean one win in 9. Leafs haven’t won anything. Marner cant do anything along the boards. It’s probably over for the leafs.

 

[Racer88]

There's only one Boy Wonder and thank God he is no longer here.

History will tell how badly he screwed up what should have been an epic rebuild and how long it will take to dig out of it.
Especially when Leafs management is paralyzed by fear

 

[Evilhomer]

If Canes end up winning the Cup. Who cares if he walks.


Avs is not done. As we just know they are going after another C, could be Miller or Sid or even both with the extra picks plus cap space.
Canes definitely won the trade at this moment.

There is no universe in which Carolina is winning the Cup with that goaltending tandem. I'm not sure they could even beat Jersey or the Rangers in the first round.

Until they get Sid, lol

Pretty much the first thing I thought when I saw this trade.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Some a bit before and some a bit after, dmen are fine, which is why we came to the same conclusion. If we have to nickel and dime this thing let's note that Ranta only had a nine team ntc. The only thing that matters is how cap hits relate to other teams. That was the only point of this, not rehashing old news.

Defensemen are on a different payscale than forwards, and using players that signed under a lower cap and then not adjusting is pretty misleading. You weren't looking at how the cap hits relate to other teams. You changed the cap hits. You then compared those new cap hits to a select few individuals that signed under different caps and don't represent the average impact of that space (even for RFAs).

We didn't have the circumstances to get the best surplus value contracts in the league with them breaking out and giving us some of the best surplus value in the cap era through their ELCs, and then the cap stagnating due to a global pandemic, but that doesn't make the contracts bad. We still signed them to reasonable contracts and got a bunch of surplus value.

 

[thewave]

Not here to sell jerseys!

He is right, they have mugs, pajamas and various other license merchandise for you and all your family. Shop now and save big before the playoffs, act fast!

It's a game of smart team - dumb team

 

[IPS]

Still laughing my ass off that a properly run organization that's had legitimate success broke the ever-pervading rule of "never trading elite talent".

So we're over here trying to justify that Marner may get more than Matthews cause "salary cap rising bro" and Colorado just goes ahead and punts an even better player out the door cause he's demanding more than their #1C superstar. Rantanen - the winger, they weren't having it for 1 f***ing second letting him compare himself to a #1C.

Mind you most of these saps on the Marner PR crew don't have the first clue about team culture and how important it is anyway.