Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Again

[Hallonbroder]

Having Marner isn't the reason that we haven't won a cup, and keeping Marner is our best chance at a cup.

But….WHY? HOW???

 

[Dekes For Days]

But….WHY? HOW???

Because he's one of the best players in the league.

 

[Hallonbroder]

I can’t help anyone who thinks Marner has been better than Rantanen. That’s just false. We also can’t argue Tkachuk numbers especially the year the lost and playing with a broken chest essentially.

I do think sometimes the lack of team success bleeds over onto Marner’s shoulders unfairly. But it comes with the cap hit. I think Montreal was really the worst because if he gives us a goal we win that series.

Isn’t the whole argument that Marners a perimeter player, which works when there’s more space in the regular season, but not in the playoffs?

He is one of the best players on the leafs, hence he deserves a lot of the criticism, especially since his cap hit’s been way higher than say Nylanders up til this season.

Also - I get it, you don’t want to lose home for nothing. Sure. But what you’re actually getting is a lot of cap space and the means to try something else instead of just rinse and repeating what doesn’t work.

 

[LeafEgo]

Tkachuk is really overrated as this prototype playoff player. Couldn’t do shit in Calgary. Forced a trade to the best team In the NHL and was carried in the playoffs last year. He didn’t score a goal in like the last 9 or 10 games of the playoffs and took some boneheaded penalties that allowed Edmonton back in the series.

Verhaghe and Reinhart were much more productive and were the heart beat of Florida’s win if we are being really honest with ourselves.

Chucky is over a point per game with Florida in the playoffs, 17 goals, most points on the team (by eight, led both years), most game winning goals in the 23 tournament (despite a broken sternum), second in hits, scf, sc win, dear lord.

Don't know where this Calgary narrative started either he was great for them as well they just wern't a great team.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Because he's one of the best players in the league.

Pretty crazy that the leafs hasnt won more than one series in 8 years with two of the best players in the world, no?

 

[Dekes For Days]

I think Montreal was really the worst because if he gives us a goal we win that series.

He did give us a goal in the Montreal series. They just incorrectly attributed it to Hyman. What we really needed was for Hyman to score 1 goal on the 4.9 expected goals Marner set up for him.

 

[arso40]

He did give us a goal in the Montreal series. They just incorrectly attributed it to Hyman. What we really needed was for Hyman to score 1 goal on the 4.9 expected goals Marner set up for him.

Your something lol I’ll give you that

 

[GoonieFace]

He did give us a goal in the Montreal series. They just incorrectly attributed it to Hyman. What we really needed was for Hyman to score 1 goal on the 4.9 expected goals Marner set up for him.

Man, you are exhausting

 

[Gary Nylund]

Your something lol I’ll give you that

Not sure who you're talking to, but I'm guessing that he might even be something else.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Pretty crazy that the leafs hasnt won more than one series in 8 years with two of the best players in the world, no?

A lot more factors into winning a cup in hockey. It's an unfortunate trivia fact that makes more sense when you look deeper at the context, and doesn't mean what some people want it to mean.

Man, you are exhausting

Ditto. Y'all are welcome to try and find the puck actually hitting his stick.

 

[Racer88]

But….WHY? HOW???

There are many reasons why we have only 1 single round win the last 9 years……….from bad luck to Covid and everything in between.
It simply can’t be the players because we all know they are so awesome

 

[Antropovsky]

I like Marner but he is very, very much a perimeter player. It seems to work in the regular season but does not in the playoffs - obviously. You can see it by his goal totals. Goals, especially in the playoffs, are going to be scored closer to the goalie - within the perimeter.

This year he has become even better at playing the perimeter. But getting better at something that doesn't work in the playoffs doesn't mean thaaaat much to me.

Even as a playmaker, he NEEDS to get in closer to the net to be effective in the playoffs. He's just not doing that at all.

3 of columbus 4 goals yesterday were created a few feet from the net.

The only Leaf goal created was similarly a few feet from the net, set up by Nylander. In fact I saw Nylander take the puck to the net and few times, instead of cruise the perimeter.

Marner primarily is trying to create plays 30-60 feet from the net.

Yesterday's highlights were primarily Nylander and then the Columbus goals. There were a couple Domi line chances but 0 Matthews Marner chances on the highlights.

I recall one point blank slot shots by Marner that I believe Matthews set up. Marner soft one timer hit the goalie right in the crest. I don't recall any point blank chances by Matthews set up by Marner. Though i missed some of the play. Did Marner set Matthews up much?

I also think Marner setting Matthews up is very predictable for goalies because Marner literally is just focused on passing to Matthews. So goalies are usually prepared to make the save.

 

[Racer88]

Your something lol I’ll give you that

Expected goals……..a totally bogus stat for the losing team. Winners count real goals not pretend ones

 

[WTFMAN99]

Expected goals……..a totally bogus stat for the losing team. Winners count real goals not pretend ones

Leafs have won the corsi / GF% / expected goals cup so many years...they don't raise banners for that though.

 

[ACC1224]

Chucky is over a point per game with Florida in the playoffs, 17 goals, most points on the team (by eight, led both years), most game winning goals in the 23 tournament (despite a broken sternum), second in hits, scf, sc win, dear lord.

Don't know where this Calgary narrative started either he was great for them as well they just wern't a great team.

Yep, hockey is a team sport.

 

[arso40]

Yep, hockey is a team sport.

Unless the individual is marner ?

 

[francis246]

There are many reasons why we have only 1 single round win the last 9 years……….from bad luck to Covid and everything in between.
It simply can’t be the players because we all know they are so awesome

Shitty luck is like 5% , 95% on the players management.

Like Woll not playing because he tweaked his back o. A save he didn’t have to make with 1 second left is true bad luck. Perry destroying Tavares was bad luck as well. That robbed us of Game 1. There was no focus for a legit reason after that. I think those are the two unlucky things. Everything else was our own doing really