Speed and power .. Mitch has neither .. Kaner is d*mn fast and don't forget it .. Kaner gets a quarter step on you and he leaves you in da dust .. Mitch has to dipsy doodle three times and deke you out to beat you after you catch up to him again
Mitch “Magic” Marner Thread
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Notsince67
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Yeah. We kind of know...your son was better.
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Unfortunately, there’s not a lot of track record where Marner goes head to head against a group of determined checkers, disrupters and intimidators in the playoffs and he’s come out head and shoulders more offensively dominant leading the Leafs to a massive win.
Think about the kind of series Kane had vs the likes of prime Vancouver and Los Angeles in his early years or in the finals vs Philly. They’re not the same level especially when we talk about big game clutch ability. Kane is HOF and Marner is still a young player. Their equivalency is really based on regular season production.
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Maybe it's time to swap Marner and Nylander. I know it wasn't the popular suggestion while they were clicking but maybe that's the answer. I don't know. I still think Nylander is a better fit. Only odd man rushes we see Matthews on seems to be after a PK when he's on with Nylander. I also don't like Hyman on with Matthews. Should be on his stick and off it to Marner or Matthews. He has it way too much.
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Marner's problem is over passing and over handling of the puck. There is little to no time and space in the playoffs. If he can't find an open man then he should just rip it at the net.
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He really is magic. He was invisible last night while logging 27+ minutes.
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Even the one line Oilers dying for a goal didn't run McDavid over 24 minutes. Since he isn't much of a threat for a shg there is no excuse for wasting Marner's stamina and production on penalty killing. WTF Keefe is that genuinely the best use of Mitch's ice time? The Leafs pk is 25th overall in the last two seasons and Marner is #2 in forward ice time so do they really need him to sustain this level of success? How much worse would they be with a bottom 6 guy in that spot? Quit wasting his time with a usage that any random bottom 6 guy can do.
And maybe give a minute or two of his ES time to Nylander who doesn't seem to even get a workout most games. Not a shot at Mitch but I think most of the time a forward who is actually giving 100% doesn't have a lot of gas after 22-23 minutes. How much better than fatigued Mitch is a fresh Nylander? How much better is a fresh Mitch?
And maybe give a minute or two of his ES time to Nylander who doesn't seem to even get a workout most games. Not a shot at Mitch but I think most of the time a forward who is actually giving 100% doesn't have a lot of gas after 22-23 minutes. How much better than fatigued Mitch is a fresh Nylander? How much better is a fresh Mitch?
I agree that Marner and Nylander should be switched.
But it’s because Marner can make the second line a threat.
And i wish Hyman was on the third line.
He makes them a threat but isn’t needed by Matthews.
I fear though, that keefe is starting to resemble Babcock when it comes to stubbornness.
Hope i’m wrong.
But it’s because Marner can make the second line a threat.
And i wish Hyman was on the third line.
He makes them a threat but isn’t needed by Matthews.
I fear though, that keefe is starting to resemble Babcock when it comes to stubbornness.
Hope i’m wrong.
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Keefe differs from Babcock in the sense that he’s consciously taken Matthews and Marner and elevated them above Tavares and Nylander in terms of utilization in offensive roles. So whereas it started as a Big 4 concept it’s turned into a Big 2 Medium 2 concept.
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This exactly. Last game was an obvious example, even with 10 minutes of PK time where nylander doesn’t play, in the remaining 50 minutes our Big 3 played the following:
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Matthews: 17:18 EVTOI, 6:35 PPTOI
Marner: 16:53 EVTOI, 6:35 PPTOI
Nylander: 12:01 EVTOI, 4:39 PPTOI
It’s amazing that Marner played more even strength then nylander did total the whole game, and yet his best and possibly only chance came from nylander and him on a 2 on 1. In normal games we should be playing Nylander 17-18 minutes, and in a game where apart from a bad penalty, he should’ve played 19ish minutes, but keefe won’t ever play nylander north of 18 minutes like most 1st liners should because..... let’s just hope it’s better game 2
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They've been way less effective in the playoffs than they ever were under Babcock.
Well have a better idea after these playoffs but the early returns are not good at all.
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I don't mind of Keefe skews the ice time heavily in favour of Matthews and Marner in the right circumstances, but he uses them like we're getting '93 Gilmour type offense and energy and passion out of them, which we aren't and will only get less of because you can't play forwards like they're Chris Pronger. Nylander can carry a heavier load. He scored a goal, crashed and banged and fought in heavy traffic for his looks. Why not reward a guy instead of perpetuating this class difference?
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If that's his best move then maybe he should be coaching the Oilers. His only real success as a coach was the 17-18 Marlies led by Ben Smith and Andreas Johnsson so he has little experience with elite talent at any level. Maybe all he knows is to play his best couple of guys to death.
I don't don't know for sure but Marchand and MacKinnon have played under 22:00 a night and Aho has played just over 19:00 so teams can win without burning their stars for fuel. He's the coach though so I won't grind on him any further until the series is over but he seems to be blazing a new trail.
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It’s definitely a balancing act. Using Matthews and Marner more resulted in an uptick in production from them in the regular season. In the heat of a playoff game it remains to be seen if you can run your forwards like that. Normally you play a guy like Ryan Suter 27 minutes but defensemen go on energy saver mode. Can’t do that if you’re a forward expected to play at a high pace.
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Stonehands1990
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I’ve noticed Keefe runs guys into the ground in the playoffs. Putting players out who are clearly tired. That 4 min shift last night, nobody could even move the last minute
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I hope Keefe has more up his sleeve than running Marner 27 minutes during regulation regardless of whether he plays well or not. It takes the intensity out of the rest of the team when they ride the pine and discourages them from busting their ass if they get limited minutes either way.
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For my sake and leafs nation, Marner hopefully has an explosive game.
Captain out, down 1-0, have some deserved and undeserved criticism on you, this is around the time you start to seperate yourself from these narratives, guys gonna be dynamite.
I have a good feeling about tomorrow
Captain out, down 1-0, have some deserved and undeserved criticism on you, this is around the time you start to seperate yourself from these narratives, guys gonna be dynamite.
I have a good feeling about tomorrow
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I would be looking to trade him for Eichel after the Leafs get eliminated by the Habs next week. Marner + an add for Eichel.
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He may just be playing too high in the lineup.
Matthews will always draw the other team's best defenders and he doesn't need time or space to put up points. With the way the game changes in the playoffs Marner has been invisible on his wing.
If he puts up another no-show probably time to try him somewhere else in the lineup.
Matthews will always draw the other team's best defenders and he doesn't need time or space to put up points. With the way the game changes in the playoffs Marner has been invisible on his wing.
If he puts up another no-show probably time to try him somewhere else in the lineup.
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Hopefully, we will not even have this conversation during the playoffs, but if we have to have this conversation, then, yes, this is what I would aim for as well. Eichel may not have the cool-guy charm of Marner, but that guy wants to win so badly, he almost openly weeps when he doesn't. We need a few of those players.
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