Mitch “Magic” Marner Thread

[93LEAFS]

Thought it was Werenski?
Leafs offered fourth overall pick to Blue Jackets

Would have changed everything. Werenski and Aho

2015 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia

Leafs traded a pick in the same draft that became Travis Konecny.

Leafs are happy to have kept the pick, and there is no way of knowing how the rest of the draft would have played out.

Leafs still had the oppotunity to draft Aho, and went with Dermott.

Winner's bottom line is the Cup, but for everyone else personal trophies.

We don't know the exact circumstances of the trade down discussions. It may have been in place incase Arizona took Marner. If they traded out of the Marner pick there would have been even more heat in the front office between the two groups.

 

[Morbo]

Thought it was Werenski?
Leafs offered fourth overall pick to Blue Jackets

Would have changed everything. Werenski and Aho

2015 NHL Entry Draft - Wikipedia

Leafs traded a pick in the same draft that became Travis Konecny.

Leafs are happy to have kept the pick, and there is no way of knowing how the rest of the draft would have played out.

Leafs still had the oppotunity to draft Aho, and went with Dermott.

Winner's bottom line is the Cup, but for everyone else personal trophies.

the bolded and multicoloured anti-Marner crusade went on for years.

that was my sole point.

and lots of teams could have drafted Aho earlier, including the one that actually took him.

 

[ACC1224]

We don't know the exact circumstances of the trade down discussions. It may have been in place incase Arizona took Marner. If they traded out of the Marner pick there would have been even more heat in the front office between the two groups.

My understanding was that if Arizona took Marner they would look to move the pick. Leafs were always taking Marner if available.

 

[93LEAFS]

My understanding was that if Arizona took Marner they would look to move the pick. Leafs were always taking Marner if available.

That was my belief too. The newly in place scouting staff would have lost their collective minds if they traded out from picking Marner.

 

[93LEAFS]

the bolded and multicoloured anti-Marner crusade went on for years.

that was my sole point.

and lots of teams could have drafted Aho earlier, including the one that actually took him.

People just seem to look at Aho and think it was an obvious pick. He was actually drafted notably higher than where he was ranked most places. Great work by Carolina, and one of the better 2nd round picks in recent memory. People just ignore all the misses around Dermott and focus on the one outlier. If we go back, I bet a ton of people were clamoring for Sprong.

 

[ITM]

My understanding was that if Arizona took Marner they would look to move the pick. Leafs were always taking Marner if available.

I think that was the case. But Hunter was certainly misdirecting in a number of interviews prior to the draft. I remember him saying they were looking to get a big skilled center that obviously signaled an interest in Strome. Always wondered how much that may have influenced Maloney selecting him third overall instead of Marner.

 

[saffronleaf]

Where does Marner rank among the top wingers of the league?

He has been absolutely incredible.

 

[93LEAFS]

I think that was the case. But Hunter was certainly misdirecting in a number of interviews prior to the draft. I remember him saying they were looking to get a big skilled center that obviously signaled an interest in Strome. Always wondered how much that may have influenced Maloney selecting him third overall instead of Marner.

Pre-draft stuff is always smoke screens. We didn't even announce Matthews until the actual pick.

 

[leafsfan5]

Where does Marner rank among the top wingers of the league?

He has been absolutely incredible.

I'd say he's around the top 5

I'd take Kucherov, Kane, Panarin and Marchand over him, Pastrnak is an interesting discussion although he's struggled this year. Overall 5th for me and he's catching up to Brad. Mitch is an elite all around talent

 

[kb]

People just seem to look at Aho and think it was an obvious pick. He was actually drafted notably higher than where he was ranked most places. Great work by Carolina, and one of the better 2nd round picks in recent memory. People just ignore all the misses around Dermott and focus on the one outlier. If we go back, I bet a ton of people were clamoring for Sprong.

Actually, I do remember a ton of chatter on Sprong IIRC.

 

[93LEAFS]

Actually, I do remember a ton of chatter on Sprong IIRC.

He was the typical guy who got early top 10 hype, posted numbers in junior, and fell. That player always gets people wanting them. See Ho-Sang. I don't remember anyone clamoring for Aho.

 

[ULF_55]

Actually, I do remember a ton of chatter on Sprong IIRC.

marner was an excellent pick but they still haven't filled the hole on the top of their defensive pyramid.

 

[ITM]

Pre-draft stuff is always smoke screens. We didn't even announce Matthews until the actual pick.

Ah but there are smoke screens and then there are smoke screens. Marner's OHL season (pre-draft) was nigh historic. Easily the most dominant OHL player regular season and playoffs that season. How Hunter sold Toronto's need for Strome was a thing of beauty. Can't fathom how Maloney opted other than Marner, and yet for some reason, he did.

I think everyone knew we were taking the franchise center in Matthews didn't they? Except for Simmons and Cox perhaps?

 

[93LEAFS]

Ah but there are smoke screens and then there are smoke screens. Marner's OHL season (pre-draft) was nigh historic. Easily the most dominant OHL player regular season and playoffs that season. How Hunter sold Toronto's need for Strome was a thing of beauty. Can't fathom how Maloney opted other than Marner, and yet for some reason, he did.

I think everyone knew we were taking the franchise center in Matthews didn't they? Except for Simmons and Cox perhaps?

I think they were just desperate for a center. NHL managements are generally very sure of themselves and prideful. What Mark Hunter might think isn't going to impact their actual decision.

For years, the Coyotes draft board was very closely mirrored by what Craig Button thought. He had Strome 3. It wasn't a coincidence. Coyotes head scout was a Button protege.

 

[ITM]

I think they were just desperate for a center. NHL managements are generally very sure of themselves and prideful. What Mark Hunter might think isn't going to impact their actual decision.

For years, the Coyotes draft board was very closely mirrored by what Craig Button thought. He had Strome 3. It wasn't a coincidence. Coyotes head scout was a Button protege.

Interesting.

 

[Joey Hoser]

Ah but there are smoke screens and then there are smoke screens. Marner's OHL season (pre-draft) was nigh historic. Easily the most dominant OHL player regular season and playoffs that season. How Hunter sold Toronto's need for Strome was a thing of beauty. Can't fathom how Maloney opted other than Marner, and yet for some reason, he did.

Strome was a 6'3 center who had 129 points in his draft year. Easy mistake to make.

 

[stickty111]

The most high risk star there is. When his flash works, it looks great. When it doesn't, today is the result. There is no playing responsibly offensively with him. People need to stop saying he's our best player. He isn't. Matthews is but it makes some fans upset.

 

[cannucky]

Strome was a 6'3 center who had 129 points in his draft year. Easy mistake to make.

Yeah and Marner was only like 6' 175 , with a measly 126 points [142 if you count the playoffs ] what a gamble there eh .

 

[Stephen]

The most high risk star there is. When his flash works, it looks great. When it doesn't, today is the result. There is no playing responsibly offensively with him. People need to stop saying he's our best player. He isn't. Matthews is but it makes some fans upset.

I notice that when the Leafs have a crazy track meet game where they run and gun and beat a team with fireworks and Mitch Marner is front and center (Carolina Christmas Game, Saturday Night vs Ottawa), he seems to get a little overconfident over the next little while and fall into a pattern of getting too fancy for his own good, or try to beat the opposition by himself as opposed to using his brain and his teammates. There's a balancing act there and sometimes he just gets too cocky and his game suffers.

High ceiling. Low floor.

 

[stickty111]

When Matthews is on, Marner is on. It would be nice if Marner showed up when Matthews doesn't have it.

 

[lipstickjunkie]

When Matthews is on, Marner is on. It would be nice if Marner showed up when Matthews doesn't have it.

Lol. Marner was a threat all game. Looked far more dangerous than Matthews last night.

 

[Cotton]

Lol. Marner was a threat all game. Looked far more dangerous than Matthews last night.

That’s a tough sell, nobody on that line really looked dangerous. And Mitch deciding to try and dangle several guys and go for the shot in OT was a poor decision, he didn’t allow for any kind of set up in their zone and lost us possession - Flames scored seconds later.

 

[Gallagbi]

Lol. Marner was a threat all game. Looked far more dangerous than Matthews last night.

They were both dogshit last night.

 

[Stephen]

That’s a tough sell, nobody on that line really looked dangerous. And Mitch deciding to try and dangle several guys and go for the shot in OT was a poor decision, he didn’t allow for any kind of set up in their zone and lost us possession - Flames scored seconds later.

For a high creativity, high IQ player he can really try some bad things sometimes. Like why would he try to split the defense on his own off the faceoff?

 

[napoleon in rags]

For a high creativity, high IQ player he can really try some bad things sometimes. Like why would he try to split the defense on his own off the faceoff?

Marner was downright moronic on that play. And I really like Marner.