Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCV: Second Round

[Flyerfan4life]

Ghost with 2 apples. So glad we paid a 2nd to get rid of him to make room for Fisto.

its soooo satifiying seeing Ghost have success as soon as he was cut from this shithole...

 

[wankstifier]

How much of this is on Ruff?

 

[freakydallas13]

Carolina is missing Svech and Teravainen. And if you want to count Pacioretty too. You wanna talk winning culture and not the pathetic facade of one?

Super glad this team is punting the GM hire and not even bothering to interview Tulsky.

 

[Appleyard]

 

[Starat327]

Wait a minute. Looking at these stats it would imply that you don't need a LHD and RHD on each pairing, and one person doesn't have to be a dedicated "defensive" defenseman and one "offensive" defenseman.

This can't be right.

 

[DancingPanther]

 

[Larry44]

its soooo satifiying seeing Ghost have success as soon as he was cut from this shithole...

Ghost is such a great player. Way too good to be wasted on the Flyers.

 

[ellja3]

Ghost is such a great player. Way too good to be wasted on the Flyers.

This. Let the guy have success he'd never have in this team that has FO with average IQ of room temperature (Celsius).

He was my first ''jersey casualty''. If Flyers trade Provorov, what jersey should I buy next?

 

[deadhead]

Ghost is a 3rd pair specialist. He cost a 2025 3rd at the TDL.
On Carolina, he's going to look good in a sheltered role.
He's playing 16:07 in the POs, ahead of Chatfield's 14:01.
Chatfield is an UDFA starting for the first time at 26 years old.

Not a big loss for the Flyers, they would have flipped him at the TDL in any case.
It's like getting excited about Gudas playing 17:34 for the Panthers as their 5th D-man.

The Flyers aren't struggling b/c they let role players leave, they're struggling b/c they spent a decade spinning their wheels and failing to find and develop top 9 forwards/top 4 defensemen starters.

 

[deadhead]

Here's the interesting thing, Zona dumped Chychrun and Ghost at the TDL, along with Bjugstad, Ritchie and Stecher, you know, your basic tank move.
Before TDL: 62g 21-31-9 .411 of possible points
After TDL: 20g 7-8-5 .475 of possible points
"The best laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft a-gley."

 

[freakydallas13]

Here's the interesting thing, Zona dumped Chychrun and Ghost at the TDL, along with Bjugstad, Ritchie and Stecher, you know, your basic tank move.
Before TDL: 62g 21-31-9 .411 of possible points
After TDL: 20g 7-8-5 .475 of possible points
"The best laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft a-gley."

"Deadhead Discovers the Existence of the Dead Cat Bounce in Realtime"

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

There's a whole lot of irony going on here. I suspect it may be that fake sarcasm thing again though. Can never be too sure.

 

[kudymen]

Brent Burns after December 7th though

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Sports were much more entertaining with the wrestling like side shows.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Wait a minute. Looking at these stats it would imply that you don't need a LHD and RHD on each pairing, and one person doesn't have to be a dedicated "defensive" defenseman and one "offensive" defenseman.

This can't be right.

It's almost like these archaic role ideas are stupid

 

[BernieParent]

Ghost with 2 apples. So glad we paid a 2nd to get rid of him to make room for Fisto.

"Make Room for Fisto" sounds like an episode of the Little Rascals (original 1930s edition).

 

[Beef Invictus]

"Chuck Fletcher has never made a mistake" is what that all boils down to.

 

[sigma six]

3rd. Would've been 4th if they didn't lose a 3-1 third period lead in Game 82.

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Shit you're right, my Friday night beers had me looking at wins instead of % and I ran with it.

There were some impactful changes to the roster though:
-Added Burakovsky and Bjorkstrand to the top six
-Claimed Tolvanen off waivers who promptly went on a scoring tear
-a full year of future superstar Beniers

Even signing Martin Jones contributed something, he was pretty good for a stretch and won them some games before predictably falling apart. All of these changes are Francis' doing, though.

As far as Hak goes I'm still not a believer, really...the shell does still happen sometimes and it makes me want to tear my hair out, but it seems to occur less frequently than it used to with Philly. His line combos have improved, although that may be the result of having a deeper forward group to play with. I suspect his Adams nomination comes from SEA having such a drastic turnaround and making the playoffs. But was more his doing, or Francis's? I consider him tolerable, for now.

 

[deadhead]

Hakstol deserves a lot of credit.

This is still not that talented of a team.

Top 9 forwards: Gourde, Schwartz, Bjorkstrand, Eberle, Tolvanen, Wennberg, Beniers, Geekie, Tanev
D-men: Larsson, Dunn, Oleksiak, Borgen, Schultz, Soucy

Of this group, who would be on the 1st line or 1st pair of any other team in the top 8?

 

[kudymen]

Some people confuse "deserves credit" with "he deserved it in the past, this current thing is a proof"

 

[deadhead]

Some people confuse "deserves credit" with "he deserved it in the past, this current thing is a proof"

He did deserve it in the past, those Flyers teams were not playoff teams, yet he got them there twice, the first time riding a hot goalie, the second time with 4 different goalies.

People just didn't like the style of play he coached, but that was as much out of necessity as preference, those teams struggled to put together two top lines, had below average bottom six groups and below average defenses. They lacked the speed to play an up tempo style.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Here's the interesting thing, Zona dumped Chychrun and Ghost at the TDL, along with Bjugstad, Ritchie and Stecher, you know, your basic tank move.
Before TDL: 62g 21-31-9 .411 of possible points
After TDL: 20g 7-8-5 .475 of possible points
"The best laid schemes o' mice an' men / Gang aft a-gley."

 

[Beef Invictus]

He did deserve it in the past, those Flyers teams were not playoff teams, yet he got them there twice, the first time riding a hot goalie, the second time with 4 different goalies.

People just didn't like the style of play he coached, but that was as much out of necessity as preference, those teams struggled to put together two top lines, had below average bottom six groups and below average defenses. They lacked the speed to play an up tempo style.

He's gotten the credit he deserves for his past.

 

[Rebels57]

This. Let the guy have success he'd never have in this team that has FO with average IQ of room temperature (Celsius).

He was my first ''jersey casualty''. If Flyers trade Provorov, what jersey should I buy next?

Keep the Provorov jersey but replace the regular numbers with rainbow ones.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Our next coach before we hire Quenneville after he gets fired by the Rangers.