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Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCIX: We're Gonna Party Like It's 99

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Who or what represented 99 best?

  • Nena

    Votes: 12 40.0%

  • Wayne Gretzky

    Votes: 7 23.3%

  • Bottles of Beer on the Wall

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • Something else

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Total voters
    30
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Magua said:
Hischier, Meier, and Mercer have 4 points combined. Hughes has 14.

I feel like the first group of guys would all be in the running for best or 2nd best Flyers forward < 30. Does anything sum up the talent gap between these teams like that?
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You could say the same about Edmonton and Toronto. Let me know when they make it to the SC Finals.

Meier doesn't count, they traded (2) 1st rd picks and a former 1st rd pick to get him, that's not "rebuilding."
 
Magua said:
Hischier, Meier, and Mercer have 4 points combined. Hughes has 14.

I feel like the first group of guys would all be in the running for best or 2nd best Flyers forward < 30. Does anything sum up the talent gap between these teams like that?
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It is honestly depressing that this team's management is inches away from declaring the "rebuild" over and pushing their chips in the middle again.

Short of massive strokes of luck in the draft lottery and some prospects playing way above projected output, I don't see how this team is set up to be anything other than another perpetual bubble team like Minnesota or Calgary.

deadhead said:
You could say the same about Edmonton and Toronto. Let me know when they make it to the SC Finals.

Meier doesn't count, they traded (2) 1st rd picks and a former 1st rd pick to get him, that's not "rebuilding."
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No, those players are not in the conversation of being the second best player in Edmonton.
 
Beef Invictus said:
I remember when this kind of thing was said about teams like Colorado, Pittsburgh, and Tampa Bay.
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And Rutherford tore Pittsburgh apart for Torts' protege Sullivan, promoted a bunch of AHL players and won two Cups.
TB made a series of trades after the "stars" fell short.
Colorado may never get back to the final four, they're thin up front and haven't drafted well.
 
deadhead said:
And Rutherford tore Pittsburgh apart for Torts' protege Sullivan, promoted a bunch of AHL players and won two Cups.
TB made a series of trades after the "stars" fell short.
Colorado may never get back to the final four, they're thin up front and haven't drafted well.
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A Tortorella protege? He was well into his coaching career before he worked with him.

Pitt kept their core.

Your characterization of TB is nonsense.

You sure do have to be extremely dishonest all the time to defend what the team does. Probably isn't worth defending if that's what's necessary, you know?
 
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Pitt kept their three stars (note, Letang was #62, not a high pick) but moved a bunch of other starters - traded for/signed Kessel, Bonino, Hagelin, Cullen, Fehr, Cole, Schultz, Daley, and promoted Sheary, Rust, Kuhnhackl, Murray from the AHL.

The leftovers from the 2014-15 team were Crosby, Malking, Letang, Kunitz, Hornqvist (added in 2014), Lovejoy (added in 2014), Dumoulin (added in 2014 from AHL), Fleury

TB added to the team that was swept:
Coleman, Goodrow, Maroon, Shattenkirk, Bogosian, L Schenn
 
deadhead said:
You could say the same about Edmonton and Toronto. Let me know when they make it to the SC Finals.

Meier doesn't count, they traded (2) 1st rd picks and a former 1st rd pick to get him, that's not "rebuilding."
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Where does packaging draft picks with a superior player for a less superior player fall on the "rebuilding" scale?
 
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A lot of smart teams behind the scenes dodge bullets for various reasons. Most we don't even know about. It's not a disqualifier for being a smart team and making good moves on average.

But, boy, the Flyers were proud to voice they were trading Sanheim for Krug. Or they would've, if not for that meddling NTC! Such a smart forward thinking team, trying to get out of an 8 year contract for a player who had a bad year and wasn't identified as vital by their cult leader. "See, fans, we tried!" Never mind his history as a top pair defender, never mind his age actually matches up with their internal timeline. Sure enough, he looks like himself again, and has been one of their best players. For a team that says build from the backend out, I can't imagine this putrid defense group (now and going forward) without him. But the Flyers evaluating wasn't wrong.....Sanheim just gained an impossible amount of muscle in a few months. Last count was 70 pounds.

The Flyers don't really dodge bullets. They try to shoot themselves in the foot and miss.
 
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Magua said:
A lot of smart teams behind the scenes dodge bullets for various reasons. Most we don't even know about. It's not a disqualifier for being a smart team and making good moves on average.

But, boy, the Flyers were proud to voice they were trading Sanheim for Krug. Or they would've, if not for that meddling NTC! Such a smart forward thinking team, trying to get out of an 8 year contract for a player who had a bad year and wasn't identified as vital by their cult leader. "See, fans, we tried!" Never mind his history as a top pair defender, never mind his age actually matches up with their internal timeline. Sure enough, he looks like himself again, and has been one of their best players. For a team that says build from the backend out, I can't imagine this putrid defense group (now and going forward) without him. But the Flyers evaluating wasn't wrong.....Sanheim just gained an impossible amount of muscle in a few months. Last count was 70 pounds.

The Flyers don't really dodge bullets. They try to shoot themselves in the foot and miss.
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So who criticized CF for extending Sanheim instead of trading him at the TDL?
I know there were quite a few around here.
 
Curufinwe said:
What do these recent Cup Champions have to do with the sad sack Flyers?
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They're basically the same as us I think. Not all that special. Hell, Tortorella basically coaches the Penguins.

Of course it's now weird to see Sullivan mentioned positively without him being torn down, since that was the normal for years. Weird how the narrative has flipped in this strange fashion.
 
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