Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCII: A buyer's or seller's market?

[Beef Invictus]

Imagine being an NHL coach, watching this offense, and going "absolutely not..never."

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't like asking these questions on the mainboard, because that place is just a cesspool

But let's say Connor hits 65/150

Does he have an argument for the greatest season of all time (adjusted for for era, of course)

I would say yes tbh. It would be comparable to Gretzky’s 82-86ish scoring peak. Same goes for 88-89 Lemieux. Once you’re in that territory, it’s personal preference.

I believe if you go by pure scoring adjusted for league average, the leader by a good bit is still Howie Morenz’s 28-29. That era was so different, I would understand counting it or not.

 

[Magua]

I wish someone from the future had told me in 2017 that an Edmonton-Buffalo game would be vastly better hockey than anything the Flyers were drooling out, after the Flyers had transformed into the worst-era Devils and Rangers. I could have saved a lot of effort by selling all my things and living the rest of my life in a sewer instead.

It’s worse though.

 

[Sombastate]

Just being the math nerd that I am, I'd love to see the formula for era adjustment. But I honestly don't feel like getting my ass beat by @Appleyard

 

[Beef Invictus]

These teams play like they hate the perimeter and would rather get in the middle. The Flyers play like they hate the middle of the ice and would rather be along the boards.

 

[Sombastate]

These teams play like they hate the perimeter and would rather get in the middle. The Flyers play like they hate the middle of the ice and would rather be along the boards.

the flyers play like they rather be in their own end. And I don't mean defensive zone

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Just being the math nerd that I am, I'd love to see the formula for era adjustment. But I honestly don't feel like getting my ass beat by @Appleyard

HockeyRef’s version is not what you would call complicated.

Source: Adjusted Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

There’s also an interesting approach they took over on the History board: Reference - VsX comprehensive summary (1927 to 2021)

 

[Lindberg]

These teams play like they hate the perimeter and would rather get in the middle. The Flyers play like they hate the middle of the ice and would rather be along the boards.

Probably by design. The Flyers suck so containing the onslaught is a necessity.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Just being the math nerd that I am, I'd love to see the formula for era adjustment. But I honestly don't feel like getting my ass beat by @Appleyard

I often worry about these adjustments failing to take into account quality of teammates. But that's where the fun discussion comes in.

McDavid has a whole lot less around him than Gretzky. Probably less than 88 Lemieux too. Mario having Coffey still doing elite play driving and offense from the back is something McDavid has never come close to having. Would've really opened things up more on offense too.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Striiker]

I don't like asking these questions on the mainboard, because that place is just a cesspool

But let's say Connor hits 65/150

Does he have an argument for the greatest season of all time (adjusted for for era, of course)

Easily. Gretzky played against gym teachers.

A moderately intelligent dolphin could score on 80s goalies.

 

[Rebels57]

I don't like asking these questions on the mainboard, because that place is just a cesspool

But let's say Connor hits 65/150

Does he have an argument for the greatest season of all time (adjusted for for era, of course)

That's a question only @Appleyard can answer

 

[Beef Invictus]

That was a trip there too

 

[Beef Invictus]

Easily. Gretzky played against gym teachers.

A moderately intelligent dolphin could score on 80s goalies.

Yeah, just like Mario. Gym teachers, I say!



Check out that 44 bum getting burned all the time. Bet that guy is pumping dodgeballs now.

 

[BigToe]

I love Dahlin

They're gonna add Kulich, Ostlund, and Savoie to this

 

[Beef Invictus]

McDavid's idea of possession is hilarious. Doesn't need to be on his stick. If it's within reach then it's his. His loose puck play must be frustrating to go against

 

[Striiker]

Yeah, just like Mario. Gym teachers, I say!



Check out that 44 bum getting burned all the time. Bet that guy is pumping dodgeballs now.

1) that video is from a 1996 game, I was talking about the 80s because that’s when Gretzky had his highest scoring season.

2) Youre right, I was being unfair. I shouldn’t have compared gym teachers to those 80s NHL bums. There’s actually some gym teachers out there who are in pretty good shape, while 80s games look identical to present day alumni games. 70s are even worse.

 

[Starat327]

1) that video is from a 1996 game, I was talking about the 80s because that’s when Gretzky had his highest scoring season.

2) Youre right, I was being unfair. I shouldn’t have compared gym teachers to those 80s NHL bums. There’s actually some gym teachers out there who are in pretty good shape, while 80s games look identical to present day alumni games. 70s are even worse.

I love that you'll die on this hill.

 

[Lindberg]

1) that video is from a 1996 game, I was talking about the 80s because that’s when Gretzky had his highest scoring season.

2) Youre right, I was being unfair. I shouldn’t have compared gym teachers to those 80s NHL bums. There’s actually some gym teachers out there who are in pretty good shape, while 80s games look identical to present day alumni games. 70s are even worse.

You do realize Gretzky played in the 1990s right?

In his final season he scored 63 points.

Is Gretzky's totals likely inflated compared to this generation? Probably. Most likely he'd still be #1 all time.

 

[Striiker]

You do realize Gretzky played in the 1990s right?

In his final season he scored 63 points.

Is Gretzky's totals likely inflated compared to this generation? Probably. Most likely he'd still be #1 all time.

Show me one player who was a point per game player in the 80s who has even scored at a 0.50 p/pg pace from 2020 onwards. One. Just one. Anyone at all.

They can’t keep up. The game is on a different level now.

 

[Lindberg]

Show me one player who was a point per game player in the 80s who has even scored at a 0.50 p/pg pace from 2020 onwards. One. Just one. Anyone at all.

They can’t keep up. The game is on a different level now.

Well.... all those guys have long been retired.

The game is also significantly softer so there's that.

 

[ajgoal]

I love that you'll die

That seems a bit unnecessary...

 

[Striiker]

Well.... all those guys have long been retired.

The game is also significantly softer so there's that.

Exactly. Forced into retirement as soon as the goal isn’t virtually empty.

So long, losers.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Scummy Blackhawks

 

[bennysflyers16]

Jets were 0 for 6 on PP again. But they didn’t make an offer for JVR Chuck tells us.