Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XC: Stoppage Time Not Required

[landsbergfan]

does this mean we can bring back rivalry night?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Reaves looked to be aiming for the chest but that's hard to hit first when the guy you're hitting is leaning forward and also not paying any attention at all.

I loathe blaming the guy getting hit, but Hronek almost hit himself on that play. There is no way it's a good idea to skate into the NZ while looking behind you.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

does this mean we can bring back rivalry night?

shame this Org. just a joke... not a true rival for anyone.

just easy points

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

does this mean we can bring back rivalry night?

They should have never got rid of the baseball like style schedules to begin with.

It never really made sense to me. You did this essentially for the big market Eastern based teams to go out west to play each team once. Was that one night of potentially boosted ticket sales really worth it? Especially when chopping off games of eastern vs. eastern based to do so?

Like the Flyers went from playing the Rangers, Pens, etc. 6 times a year. The Bruins, Habs, Maple Leafs, etc. 4 times a year. All to playing these teams like anywhere from 2-4 times year now & filling those dates with more games against like the Ducks, Coyotes, Kraken, Kings, etc.

I get it sucks if you’re a fan of an eastern based team out in the western part of the continent you might end up not seeing a team live for years with that style of scheduling. But is it really worth it business wise to cater that?

 

[ajgoal]

shame this Org. just a joke... not a true rival for anyone.

just easy points

They're their own rivals.

 

[FlyerNutter]

They should have never got rid of the baseball like style schedules to begin with.

It never really made sense to me. You did this essentially for the big market Eastern based teams to go out west to play each team once. Was that one night of potentially boosted ticket sales really worth it? Especially when chopping off games of eastern vs. eastern based to do so?

Like the Flyers went from playing the Rangers, Pens, etc. 6 times a year. The Bruins, Habs, Maple Leafs, etc. 4 times a year. All to playing these teams like anywhere from 2-4 times year now & filling those dates with more games against like the Ducks, Coyotes, Kraken, Kings, etc.

I get it sucks if you’re a fan of an eastern based team out in the western part of the continent you might end up not seeing a team live for years with that style of scheduling. But is it really worth it business wise to cater that?

Yes

 

[Strawberry Fields]

I'm in the minority but I vastly prefer the varied schedule. It probably stems from following the lower travel budget AHL and being subjected to 12-14 games a year each against Wilkes Barre and Lehigh Valley, which is boring as ****.

 

[DancingPanther]

The Flyers have one rival, and it's their own organization.

No one gets amped to play/beat the Flyers. Flyers fans don't even get excited to watch their own team- how could they possibly get excited to watch their own team play someone else

 

[VladDrag]

Reaves looked to be aiming for the chest but that's hard to hit first when the guy you're hitting is leaning forward and also not paying any attention at all.

I loathe blaming the guy getting hit, but Hronek almost hit himself on that play. There is no way it's a good idea to skate into the NZ while looking behind you.

I tend to agree for the most part. I don't think it's worth a suspension. I think hockey is too fast a sport to believe that you're going to remove all head contact. And Hronek was almost as responsible as Reaves.

With that being said, I do think that any head contact needs to be penalized. Concussions are so dangerous and have life altering damages. I think a minimum two minute penalty for this play is reasonable...More reasonable than a 4 min double minor for arbitrary bleeding from a high stick.

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

I get it sucks if you’re a fan of an eastern based team out in the western part of the continent you might end up not seeing a team live for years with that style of scheduling. But is it really worth it business wise to cater that?

I'd obviously like to see the Flyers every year out here, but the biggest issue, IMO, is not having stars come through every year with the old schedule.

McDavid (for example) in Philly every three years isn't the way to promote your stars.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I'd obviously like to see the Flyers every year out here, but the biggest issue, IMO, is not having stars come through every year with the old schedule.

McDavid (for example) in Philly every three years isn't the way to promote your stars.

Obviously the Flyers are horrible currently so that’s the main overriding issue but I don’t think McDavid was as a big of a draw when he came to Philadelphia over their eastern team counterparts. Like the highest re-sale prices here are generally the Penguins, Rangers, Capitals, Bruins, Maple Leafs, Canadiens, etc.

I don’t think the NHL is great by any means but when it comes to the US market it’s weighing the pros & cons amongst an ultimately niche audience. McDavid is with a team that ultimately no one really cares about in the US with Edmonton. The big eastern market vs. eastern market probably draws them more money than that. But when you add a star like Crosby to a Philadelphia-New York-Washington vs. Pittsburgh matchup that’s the most profitable in the US.

Essentially hockey in the US is very niche & regional based. You want to grow the game but at the same time you don’t want to get away from your bread & butter. You have to find a line to straddle that makes everything work.

 

[Magua]

 

[FLYguy3911]

Chirped by an AHLer.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

They should have never got rid of the baseball like style schedules to begin with.

It never really made sense to me. You did this essentially for the big market Eastern based teams to go out west to play each team once. Was that one night of potentially boosted ticket sales really worth it? Especially when chopping off games of eastern vs. eastern based to do so?

Like the Flyers went from playing the Rangers, Pens, etc. 6 times a year. The Bruins, Habs, Maple Leafs, etc. 4 times a year. All to playing these teams like anywhere from 2-4 times year now & filling those dates with more games against like the Ducks, Coyotes, Kraken, Kings, etc.

I get it sucks if you’re a fan of an eastern based team out in the western part of the continent you might end up not seeing a team live for years with that style of scheduling. But is it really worth it business wise to cater that?

It blows my mind that anyone would want to see MORE games against the f***ing Islanders, the f***ing Devils, the f***ing Rangers, and the f***ing Penguins. It makes no sense to me.

Reaves looked to be aiming for the chest but that's hard to hit first when the guy you're hitting is leaning forward and also not paying any attention at all.

I loathe blaming the guy getting hit, but Hronek almost hit himself on that play. There is no way it's a good idea to skate into the NZ while looking behind you.

Spoiler

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It blows my mind that anyone would want to see MORE games against the f***ing Islanders, the f***ing Devils, the f***ing Rangers, and the f***ing Penguins. It makes no sense to me.

@Hollywood Cannon & other STH that sells some of their tickets are probably hoping it comes to fruition. Those teams are where you make your money. Not just for fans of the Flyers but a lot of out town fans of those teams.

I haven’t been to a game in like 5+ years. So it was before they went completely to shit. The fanbase was still at least moderately interested in the Flyers. But I went to games against the Maple Leafs & Canadiens. There had to be at least 25% or more of the building in those two team’s apparel. It’s always been that way with like the Rangers, Pens, etc.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Was just checking out the Rangers stats. Kakko is on pace for 27 points & Lafreniere is on pace for 36 points over 82 games. Not saying they can’t be useful players but it’s getting to that point where it’s looking more likely in a middle of the lineup capacity than the top line.

 

[Curufinwe]

I'm in the minority but I vastly prefer the varied schedule. It probably stems from following the lower travel budget AHL and being subjected to 12-14 games a year each against Wilkes Barre and Lehigh Valley, which is boring as ****.

I hated when we played NJ and Carolina 8 times per season.

 

[Cody Webster]

NHL feel bad for buffalo and just letting them start the game up 1-0?

does this mean we can bring back rivalry night?

Unfortunately, I guess this means the playoff format is never going to change back to what it used to be

does this mean we can bring back rivalry night?

Unfortunately, I guess this means the playoff format is never going to change back to what it used to be

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@Hollywood Cannon & other STH that sells some of their tickets are probably hoping it comes to fruition. Those teams are where you make your money. Not just for fans of the Flyers but a lot of out town fans of those teams.

I haven’t been to a game in like 5+ years. So it was before they went completely to shit. The fanbase was still at least moderately interested in the Flyers. But I went to games against the Maple Leafs & Canadiens. There had to be at least 25% or more of the building in those two team’s apparel. It’s always been that way with like the Rangers, Pens, etc.

With where the team currently is i'd prefer for the WC teams to come here every year. Seeing those teams are the only reason that i'm going to any games this year.

With that said though, the fact that the Pittsburgh Penguins only come to Philadelphia once this year and it was on Black Friday is a god damn disgrace but a team like the Sabres are coming twice. There has to be a way for the NHL to have their cake and eat it too if they switch the divisions around a little bit more. There's no reason that they should be playing teams from the other EC division more than the ones in their own division.

As it stands currently the Rangers games have a pretty good resale market and then weekend games are your only hope of making any money back. The rest? Woooooooof unless you're creative with how you move them. If they're going to be bad though it's probably better to have more games against local teams because they may have fans that will travel to Philly. I suspect the Rangers fans come here because it's cheaper then MSG.

 

[DancingPanther]

60 pts in 31 games for the greatest to ever do it. Imagine the mental gymnastics required to not give him MVP this season lol

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Obviously the Flyers are horrible currently so that’s the main overriding issue but I don’t think McDavid was as a big of a draw when he came to Philadelphia over their eastern team counterparts. Like the highest re-sale prices here are generally the Penguins, Rangers, Capitals, Bruins, Maple Leafs, Canadiens, etc.

I don’t think the NHL is great by any means but when it comes to the US market it’s weighing the pros & cons amongst an ultimately niche audience. McDavid is with a team that ultimately no one really cares about in the US with Edmonton. The big eastern market vs. eastern market probably draws them more money than that. But when you add a star like Crosby to a Philadelphia-New York-Washington vs. Pittsburgh matchup that’s the most profitable in the US.

Essentially hockey in the US is very niche & regional based. You want to grow the game but at the same time you don’t want to get away from your bread & butter. You have to find a line to straddle that makes everything work.

Philly needs a Superstar for hockey to grow. BEDARD TO PHILLY FOR HOCKEY! Commissioner make it happen!

 

[Rebels57]

Philly needs a Superstar for hockey to grow. BEDARD TO PHILLY FOR HOCKEY! Commissioner male it happen!

The first few years of Bedard vs. the last few years of Crosby reigniting the Flyers-Pens rivalry would be great for the league...but we're not that lucky.

 

[Striiker]

60 pts in 31 games for the greatest to ever do it. Imagine the mental gymnastics required to not give him MVP this season lol

Ghost doesn’t have 60 points…

 

[deadhead]

Come on, you wouldn't pay to see Frost v Crosby?

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

Obviously the Flyers are horrible currently so that’s the main overriding issue but I don’t think McDavid was as a big of a draw when he came to Philadelphia over their eastern team counterparts. Like the highest re-sale prices here are generally the Penguins, Rangers, Capitals, Bruins, Maple Leafs, Canadiens, etc.

I don’t think the NHL is great by any means but when it comes to the US market it’s weighing the pros & cons amongst an ultimately niche audience. McDavid is with a team that ultimately no one really cares about in the US with Edmonton. The big eastern market vs. eastern market probably draws them more money than that. But when you add a star like Crosby to a Philadelphia-New York-Washington vs. Pittsburgh matchup that’s the most profitable in the US.

Essentially hockey in the US is very niche & regional based. You want to grow the game but at the same time you don’t want to get away from your bread & butter. You have to find a line to straddle that makes everything work.

Philly happens to be in the geographical region with the longest serving fan bases, and also happens to be accessible by car, train, or short plane ride for many other NHL cities with these longstanding fan bases. Plus, the Metro has two generational players amongst a plethora or recent top 3 draft picks, so there are draws for "local" opponents. It won't always be this way; I bet the Caps and Pens start to become after thoughts without Crosby and Ovechkin, barring another generational kid ending up there... they'll fit in well with the Flyers.

McDavid was just one example, but say he played for Chicago, or another prominent western conference hockey market. Under the old model, he'd still only make it to Philly every three years. Not that there is a direct correlation, but the NHL has always lagged behind the other sports in making household names out of its stars. They've really only ever had one guy transcend the sport: Gretzky. That's shameful.

The two newest franchises are already massive draws in their cities. It would be disappointing if those cities only got looks at Matthews, Crosby, Hughes, Tage Thompson ( ), etc. every three years.

The MLB saw the value in getting all teams to all ballparks. It was always a huge deal when Jordan came to the PNW. It's obviously not possible for NFL teams to play everyone else each season... But, I'm all for hockey keeping to a schedule that allows for kids to see the top players in person more than every three years.