NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Must be nice.

Meanwhile Briere and Torts want the best culture players on their team.

 

[deadhead]

I think the culture thing is exaggerated.
However, it's clear there's more of a focus on intangibles, especially work ethic and hockey IQ.
I think their experience with Myers and then Tuomaala accelerated this trend.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Why does he have no rentals?

OH OH OH!!!! I know!!!!! I know!!!! It's because culture players are harder to find than actual talented players. And it's not that the Flyers don't have talented players, but they don't have enough CULTURE players. They need more guys who can't pass or score, but can listen to the coach and play within his archaic system that suppresses talented players, but rewards mediocre players that can check and do all sorts of dirty work. I'm right, aren't I?

 

[Cody Webster]

Stopped by this when going to check the Birds thread, and I can shed a little bit of light here...

We have a bunch of prospects we are expecting to come to the NHL over the next few years, namely Unger Sorum and Atamanov at forward and Nikishin and Morrow on defense. Lots of cap space going into this summer, even if we lock in Rants for the $14m people expect we still have about $14m to lock up some depth pieces to round out the roster.

Amazing what you can do when you know how to draft

 

[Cody Webster]

I think the culture thing is exaggerated.
However, it's clear there's more of a focus on intangibles, especially work ethic and hockey IQ.
I think their experience with Myers and then Tuomaala accelerated this trend.

Exaggerated by whom? Certainly not the Flyers. They throw out the word "culture" any chance they get.

 

[Magua]

Jason Robertson keeps moving closer to a point/game, and Nelson, Trocheck, and Kreider took his Team USA spot. Only team in the world to leave a recent 109 point, 25 year old off their roster.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Because the Flyers have few veterans eligible for UFA.

They extended Seeler and Hathaway b/c it made more sense than trading them for peanuts, then signing other veterans to patch the lineup who might not be as good as fits.

TK and Sanheim are the only other potential veteran trades, and they're on team friendly contracts and young enough to be the veteran core in three years - better than NJ trading a 1st & 2nd and then extending Meier, for example.

It never made more sense. At any point

 

[deadhead]

Amazing what you can do when you know how to draft

Carolina, ranked 16th by Wheeler
1. Morrow #40-2021
2. Nadeau #30-2023
3. Artamonov #50-2024

4. Unger-Sorum #62-2023
5. Badinka #34-2024

6. Fransen #69-2024
7. Forsmark #101-2022
8. Poirier #156-2024
9. Rykov #100-2023
10. Grudinin #156-2022
11. Trikozov #60-2022
12. Vuolett #133-2024
13. Robidas #147-2021
14. Kol #168-2024
15. Perron #94-2023

Flyers, ranked 18th
1. Bonk #22-2023
2. Luchanko #13-2024

3. Andrae #54-2020
4. Zavragin #87-2023
5. Barkey #95-2023

6. Bjarnason #51-2023
7. Kolosov #78-2023
8. Berglund #51-2024
9. Gill #59-2024
10. Powell #148-2024
11. Grans, T
12. McDonald #165-2022
13. Bump #133-2022
14. Tuomaala #46-2021
15. Knuble #103-2023

 

[Beef Invictus]

I think the culture thing is exaggerated.
However, it's clear there's more of a focus on intangibles, especially work ethic and hockey IQ.
I think their experience with Myers and then Tuomaala accelerated this trend.

You contradict yourself

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Carolina, ranked 16th by Wheeler
1. Morrow #40-2021
2. Nadeau #30-2023
3. Artamonov #50-2024

4. Unger-Sorum #62-2023
5. Badinka #34-2024

6. Fransen #69-2024
7. Forsmark #101-2022
8. Poirier #156-2024
9. Rykov #100-2023
10. Grudinin #156-2022
11. Trikozov #60-2022
12. Vuolett #133-2024
13. Robidas #147-2021
14. Kol #168-2024
15. Perron #94-2023

Flyers, ranked 18th
1. Bonk #22-2023
2. Luchanko #13-2024

3. Andrae #54-2020
4. Zavragin #87-2023
5. Barkey #95-2023

6. Bjarnason #51-2023
7. Kolosov #78-2023
8. Berglund #51-2024
9. Gill #59-2024
10. Powell #148-2024
11. Grans, T
12. McDonald #165-2022
13. Bump #133-2022
14. Tuomaala #46-2021
15. Knuble #103-2023

The Carolina list is better while:

1. Picking significantly lower in rounds.
2. Contending in the NHL for the last 7 consecutive years.
3. Not having the advantage of selling off parts for prospects/picks.
4. Never made a trade as stupid as the Edmonton one.
5. Completely ignoring the existence of Carolina’s best prospect for some reason?
6. And it contains only 1 first rounder, which was 30th overall.

There is no possible way to paint this as a Flyers positive.

 

[Magua]

There is no possible way to paint this as a Flyers positive.

That’s what you think.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

another good nite in the metro standings.

except for the stupid flightless birds

 

[DancingPanther]

You contradict yourself

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

50% retention for a 3rd is meh, but the Hawks also traded Hall. That is awful asset management.

Hall is awful and more of an addition by subtraction. Same as it was for Kuznetsov.

 

[DancingPanther]

It's amazing how some people here will hit us with all these arbitrary timelines or barriers, only for the true contenders in this league to smash them to pieces every single time. Just this single trade blasts though...

You can't blame the Flyers, because:
1. No trades wil happen until after 4 nations. It's basically a de facto roster freeze
2. Trades are hard => a star western conference player on an expiring deal is traded with retention for a young breakout Eastern conference player and a prospect and picks to the retaining team
3. You don't want to break up the locker room

4. Star power is very hard to acquire without hitting on a "dart throw" draft pick

Must be nice.

What about the 20 best 200 foot guys?

 

[ellja3]

OH OH OH!!!! I know!!!!! I know!!!! It's because culture players are harder to find than actual talented players. And it's not that the Flyers don't have talented players, but they don't have enough CULTURE players. They need more guys who can't pass or score, but can listen to the coach and play within his archaic system that suppresses talented players, but rewards mediocre players that can check and do all sorts of dirty work. I'm right, aren't I?

I think the culture thing is exaggerated.
However, it's clear there's more of a focus on intangibles, especially work ethic and hockey IQ.
I think their experience with Myers and then Tuomaala accelerated this trend.

Intangibles is the only thing people these days use to excuse management/players when advanced stats and results are exposing them naked. I don't say there's no such thing, Laughton > DeAngelo 10 times out of 10 when it comes to locker-room presence, but when it's your ONLY straw for a franchise struggling for decades, just stop, dude. Stop embarrasing yourself.

 

[ellja3]

I think the culture thing is exaggerated.
However, it's clear there's more of a focus on intangibles, especially work ethic and hockey IQ.
I think their experience with Myers and then Tuomaala accelerated this trend.

Intangibles is the only thing people these days use to excuse management/players when advanced stats and results are exposing them naked. I don't say there's no such thing, Laughton > DeAngelo 10 times out of 10 when it comes to locker-room presence, but when it's your ONLY straw for a franchise struggling for decades, just stop, dude. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[deadhead]

Intangibles is the only thing people these days use to excuse management/players when advanced stats and results are exposing them naked. I don't say there's no such thing, Laughton > DeAngelo 10 times out of 10 when it comes to locker-room presence, but when it's your ONLY straw for a franchise struggling for decades, just stop, dude. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Intangibles matter, in a sense, they are a talent.

Foerster is a good example, on paper he's a slow PF with a good shot and not a lot else.
But he worked hard to improve his skating, uses his IQ to play great defense, and consistently wins board battles and uses his vision to make break out passes.

Intangibles won't make an average player into an all pro, but they're probably the best bet to find players who'll outperform their draft slot.

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Lol rags extended borgen. Looks like they got their own fisto situation going on.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lol rags extended borgen. Looks like they got their own fisto situation going on.

The Rangers spent something like 2 years trying to be a modern franchise, set themselves up well, then threw it all in the trash because of one Tom Wilson game.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Lol rags extended borgen. Looks like they got their own fisto situation going on.

The Rangers spent something like 2 years trying to be a modern franchise, set themselves up well, then threw it all in the trash because of one Tom Wilson game.

 

[deadhead]

Borgen is getting $4.1M a year from age 29-33.
He had one good season at 26, is basically a 3rd pair talent with no exceptional quality.
They're making a major commitment off 17 games.
He's on the 2nd pair with Miller right now, but down the road . . .
He's got good size and speed, hits and plays decent defense. But that's it. Has never played major minutes.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Sanheim will still be 7D.

 

[ponder719]

Sanheim will still be 7D.

Perfect, opens a spot for Drysdale.

 

[Curufinwe]

10th goal for G