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deadhead said:
Given we're starting the 2nd year of the rebuild . . .

After spinning our wheels for a decade when Holmgren refused after the Carter/Richards trade, Hextall stopped after the Coburn/Kimmo trades, CF after the Giroux trade.

So all that shit is water under the bridge.
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They haven't even started the first year of the rebuild, much less entered a second year. There is no rebuild, and there was never going to be one. Jones even admitted it is a lie, and all their actions match that.

And, according to your assertions, this should be more like Year 4. Nice to see you subtly admit that all that time we told you they weren't rebuilding, we were right.
 
Beef Invictus said:
They haven't even started the first year of the rebuild, much less entered a second year. There is no rebuild, and there was never going to be one. Jones even admitted it is a lie, and all their actions match that.

And, according to your assertions, this should be more like Year 4. Nice to see you subtly admit that all that time we told you they weren't rebuilding, we were right.
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I do love the implication that Fletcher was rebuilding up to and including the the Giroux trade. This means the Risto trade was actually a rebuilding move!
 
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freakydallas13 said:
I do love the implication that Fletcher was rebuilding up to and including the the Giroux trade. This means the Risto trade was actually a rebuilding move!
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Huh, what?

The point was the Giroux trade should have been the first move of a rebuild, the same way the Carter/Richards trades and the Kimmo/Coburn trades.

Each time, the FO pulled back b/c one mustn't use the word "rebuild."
 
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deadhead said:
Huh, what?

The point was the Giroux trade should have been the first move of a rebuild, the same way the Carter/Richards trades and the Kimmo/Coburn trades.

Each time, the FO pulled back b/c one mustn't use the word "rebuild."
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I mean I could be misinterpreting what you said, but it appears to read "CF [stopped rebuilding] after the Giroux trade", which, yeah. Pretty wild claim.
 
Chuck never started. Neither has Briere.

Be wary of all these firsts they have. They'll think they can afford to buy at the deadline regardless of where they stand. "We don't have to move Laughton, we have enough picks" is also in play.
 
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Just b/c you want them to tank, doesn't mean they're not rebuilding.
They've dumped most of the veterans from two years ago, and have one of the youngest teams in the league, a solid prospect pipeline and accumulated a stash for the 2025 draft.

They're a year away from looking for "compression" trades, where the focus becomes adding top of the lineup players b/c they have enough depth they don't have to fill out the roster with waiver wire scrubs.
 
deadhead said:
Just b/c you want them to tank, doesn't mean they're not rebuilding.
They've dumped most of the veterans from two years ago, and have one of the youngest teams in the league, a solid prospect pipeline and accumulated a stash for the 2025 draft.

They're a year away from looking for "compression" trades, where the focus becomes adding top of the lineup players b/c they have enough depth they don't have to fill out the roster with waiver wire scrubs.
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What I want has nothing to do with it. They simply are not rebuilding. They admitted it too.

They have never been rebuilding. You've already retconned away all those "rebuilding" years we told you were happening under Fletcher, and you insisted were.

3-5 years from now you'll be doing the same thing. "Now that Briere is gone we can finally start the rebuild" and this is important to note, they won't be doing it then, either.
 
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deadhead said:
Just b/c you want them to tank, doesn't mean they're not rebuilding.
They've dumped most of the veterans from two years ago, and have one of the youngest teams in the league, a solid prospect pipeline and accumulated a stash for the 2025 draft.

They're a year away from looking for "compression" trades, where the focus becomes adding top of the lineup players b/c they have enough depth they don't have to fill out the roster with waiver wire scrubs.
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Youngest team doesn't mean a quality team. Rather have quality over quantity. Average prospect pool.

Flyers have what pretty much all NHL teams have, They do not stand out.
 
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Whether they're youngest or not means nothing to me. What matters is that I can look at some blatant spots where they should definitely be even younger. Nobody has ever benefited from playing with bad players, them being old doesn't change that.
 
deadhead said:
a solid prospect pipeline
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Michkov is now on the team and not in the pipeline.

If Luchanko sticks beyond 9 games, cross him off too.

Is a top 5 of Bonk, Barkey, Andrae, Bump and Tuomaala really your definition of solid pipeline?

1. Matvei Michkov 85.9%
2. Oliver Bonk 40.5%
3. Jett Luchanko 78.8%
4. Denver Barkey 77.8%
5. Emil Andrae 42.9%
6. Alex Bump 34.0%
7. Samu Tuomaala 26.5%
8. Massimo Rizzo 44.1%
9. Alex Ciernik 30.2%
10. Ronnie Attard 18.4%
11. Ilya Pautov 29.4%
12. Heikki Ruohonen 32.0%
13. Carter Sotheran 25.0%
14. Elliot Desnoyers 30.4%
15. Jack Berglund 35.3%
16. Hunter McDonald 19.4%
17. Owen McLaughlin 23.1%
18. Spencer Gill 33.3%
19. Devin Kaplan 29.2%
20. Noah Powell 29.4%
 
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pit said:
Michkov is now on the team and not in the pipeline.

If Luchanko sticks beyond 9 games, cross him off too.

Is a top 5 of Bonk, Barkey, Andrae, Bump and Tuomaala really your definition of solid pipeline?

1. Matvei Michkov 85.9%
2. Oliver Bonk 40.5%
3. Jett Luchanko 78.8%
4. Denver Barkey 77.8%
5. Emil Andrae 42.9%
6. Alex Bump 34.0%
7. Samu Tuomaala 26.5%
8. Massimo Rizzo 44.1%
9. Alex Ciernik 30.2%
10. Ronnie Attard 18.4%
11. Ilya Pautov 29.4%
12. Heikki Ruohonen 32.0%
13. Carter Sotheran 25.0%
14. Elliot Desnoyers 30.4%
15. Jack Berglund 35.3%
16. Hunter McDonald 19.4%
17. Owen McLaughlin 23.1%
18. Spencer Gill 33.3%
19. Devin Kaplan 29.2%
20. Noah Powell 29.4%
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This list is garbage seeing as it doesn't include the best goalie not in the NHL right now. :cool:
 
pit said:
Michkov is now on the team and not in the pipeline.

If Luchanko sticks beyond 9 games, cross him off too.

Is a top 5 of Bonk, Barkey, Andrae, Bump and Tuomaala really your definition of solid pipeline?

1. Matvei Michkov 85.9%
2. Oliver Bonk 40.5%
3. Jett Luchanko 78.8%
4. Denver Barkey 77.8%
5. Emil Andrae 42.9%
6. Alex Bump 34.0%
7. Samu Tuomaala 26.5%
8. Massimo Rizzo 44.1%
9. Alex Ciernik 30.2%
10. Ronnie Attard 18.4%
11. Ilya Pautov 29.4%
12. Heikki Ruohonen 32.0%
13. Carter Sotheran 25.0%
14. Elliot Desnoyers 30.4%
15. Jack Berglund 35.3%
16. Hunter McDonald 19.4%
17. Owen McLaughlin 23.1%
18. Spencer Gill 33.3%
19. Devin Kaplan 29.2%
20. Noah Powell 29.4%
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Can cross of Andrae too. He'll never play.
 
volnoir said:
This list is garbage seeing as it doesn't include the best goalie not in the NHL right now. :cool:
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Actually that list IS garbage.

1. Matvei Michkov (19)
2. Jett Luchanko (18)
3. Oliver Bonk (19)

4. Yegor Zavragin (19)
5. Denver Barkey (19)
6. Emil Andrae (22)
7. Alex Bump (21)
8. Alex Ciernik (19)
9. Jack Berglund (18)
10. Samu Tuomaala (21)
11. Spencer Gill (18)
12. Heikki Ruohonen (18)
13. Carter Sotheran (19)
14. Hunter McDonald (22)
15. Alexei Kolosov (22)
16. Carson Bjarnason (19)
17. Jon-Randall Avon (21)
18. Cole Knuble (20)
19. Noah Powell (19)
20. Elliot Desnoyers (22)

21. Owen McLaughlin (21)
22. Devin Kaplan (20)
23. Massimo Rizzo (23)
24. Helge Grans (22)
25. Ethan Samson (21)
26. Austin Moline (19)
27. Alexis Gendron (21)
28. Santeri Suklu (20)
29. Ilya Pautov (18)
30. Matteo Mann (20)

Overage
Olie Lycksell
Ronnie Attard
Adam Ginning
 
deadhead said:
Actually that list IS garbage.

1. Matvei Michkov (19)
2. Jett Luchanko (18)
3. Oliver Bonk (19)

4. Yegor Zavragin (19)
5. Denver Barkey (19)
6. Emil Andrae (22)
7. Alex Bump (21)
8. Alex Ciernik (19)
9. Jack Berglund (18)
10. Samu Tuomaala (21)
11. Spencer Gill (18)
12. Heikki Ruohonen (18)
13. Carter Sotheran (19)
14. Hunter McDonald (22)
15. Alexei Kolosov (22)
16. Carson Bjarnason (19)
17. Jon-Randall Avon (21)
18. Cole Knuble (20)
19. Noah Powell (19)
20. Elliot Desnoyers (22)

21. Owen McLaughlin (21)
22. Devin Kaplan (20)
23. Massimo Rizzo (23)
24. Helge Grans (22)
25. Ethan Samson (21)
26. Austin Moline (19)
27. Alexis Gendron (21)
28. Santeri Suklu (20)
29. Ilya Pautov (18)
30. Matteo Mann (20)

Overage
Olie Lycksell
Ronnie Attard
Adam Ginning
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Still a nothing special prospect pool.
 
Also, under Fletch and Briere in 6 years, only 1 year having more than the given 7 picks a year.

The previous 4 years, every year they had 8+ picks....averaging 9.
 
As an outsider who follows Flyers closely (Been posting around here for like 15 years)

What Briere is doing doesn't at all feel like blow up rebuild. Feels like an attempt to retool on fly which IMO is wrong strategy for Flyers

Needed more tear down/blowing it up

Also, Torts has way too much say in running team considering he shouldn't be around in coming years
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
As an outsider who follows Flyers closely (Been posting around here for like 15 years)

What Briere is doing doesn't at all feel like blow up rebuild. Feels like an attempt to retool on fly which IMO is wrong strategy for Flyers

Needed more tear down/blowing it up

Also, Torts has way too much say in running team considering he shouldn't be around in coming years
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not one person here could have called this...

not even one...

pssst. its becuz they arent rebuilding...🫣
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
What Briere is doing doesn't at all feel like blow up rebuild. Feels like an attempt to retool on fly which IMO is wrong strategy for Flyers
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It feels like that to most of us as well. More of the same half assed rebuild that will make the Flyers a bubble team for while, maybe make it to the second round of the playoffs if they are lucky.

Nothing more than that.
 
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Blackhawkswincup said:
As an outsider who follows Flyers closely (Been posting around here for like 15 years)

What Briere is doing doesn't at all feel like blow up rebuild. Feels like an attempt to retool on fly which IMO is wrong strategy for Flyers

Needed more tear down/blowing it up

Also, Torts has way too much say in running team considering he shouldn't be around in coming years
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This has been common knowledge here for 2 years. They lucked into Michkov. Then passed on Buium when he fell into their lap. We'll be comparing him to Luchanko for years. They do have 3 firsts and 3 seconds in the 2025 Draft. If they can somehow nail that, we might be in business finally.
 
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