NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

[freakydallas13]

Jarvis is the better player, but his $7.5M cap hit with 4 RFA years remaining, is more like $9M for the 4 UFA seasons and $6M for the 4 RFA seasons (i.e. team averages in overpaying RFA seasons and underpaying UFA seasons).

That is, both players are being paid commiserate with their production and their contract status, to compare apples to apples, you'd have to average in Tippett's RFA pay from 23-24. In which case the ten year average becomes $5.2M compared to $7.5M.

Did you remember to factor in the position of Jupiter in the night sky when you came up with how to do this comparison?

 

[FLYguy3911]

Ahh the late blooming former top 10 pick. I always forget about that archetype.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

There’s no sane person that would take Tippett over Jarvis (contracts even included).

 

[Beef Invictus]

Jarvis is the better player, but his $7.5M cap hit with 4 RFA years remaining, is more like $9M for the 4 UFA seasons and $6M for the 4 RFA seasons (i.e. team averages in overpaying RFA seasons and underpaying UFA seasons).

That is, both players are being paid commiserate with their production and their contract status, to compare apples to apples, you'd have to average in Tippett's RFA pay from 23-24. In which case the ten year average becomes $5.2M compared to $7.5M.

No it isn't

 

[deadhead]

Tippett had two RFA seasons left, so add in his 2 RFA seasons already played, and you get $5.2M for ten years v $7.5M for 8 years, in both cases, including 4 RFA seasons.

That's why you just can't compare contracts in a vacuum, big difference between player entering his UFA season negotiating an extension and a player with multiple RFA seasons left.

 

[kudymen]

I remember how one fought every single mention of the words "elite" and "Giroux" in the same sentence for YEARS and now somehow a f***ing Tippet is elite physically AND possesses elite skater speed? Lol

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The lengths some people will go…

 

[deadhead]

I remember how one fought every single mention of the words "elite" and "Giroux" in the same sentence for YEARS and now somehow a f***ing Tippet is elite physically AND possesses elite skater speed? Lol

Edge statistics:
Top skating speed 24.21 MPH, highest in NHL, 99th percentile
Bursts over 22 MPH: 46 (average is 3 for forwards), 99th percentile
Bursts over 20 MPH: 274 (average is 74 for forwards), 98th percentile
Top shot speed, 99.74 (94th percentile).

Now list all the forwards 210+ lbs who can match those numbers.

He's not an elite player, but top 1-2 percentile makes you an elite skater.

 

[kudymen]

Edge statistics:
Top skating speed 24.21 MPH, highest in NHL, 99th percentile
Bursts over 22 MPH: 46 (average is 3 for forwards), 99th percentile
Bursts over 20 MPH: 274 (average is 74 for forwards), 98th percentile
Top shot speed, 99.74 (94th percentile).

Now list all the forwards 210+ lbs who can match those numbers.

He's not an elite player, but top 1-2 percentile makes you an elite skater.

I am not taking away much from Tippet. I am amused by the irony. And by amused I mean tired since basically 2014.

 

[deadhead]

I remember how one fought every single mention of the words "elite" and "Giroux" in the same sentence for YEARS and now somehow a f***ing Tippet is elite physically AND possesses elite skater speed? Lol

Edge:
Tippett had fastest sprint time NHL, 24.21, L Hughes, McDavid 24.19, Point 24.15, MacKinnon 24.05
22+ MPH bursts: MacKinnon 118, McDavid 66, Necas 49, Tippett 46, Wood 45, Hintz 44, Point 41
20+ MPH bursts: MacKinnon 717, McDavid 457, Point 436, Hintz 403, McLeod 373, Necas 363, Barzal 338, Anderson 335, Tippett 274

Tippett needs to learn to use his speed more consistently, but he has elite speed.

 

[kudymen]

I am not taking away much from Tippet. I am amused by the irony. And by amused I mean tired since basically 2014.

Edge:
Tippett had fastest sprint time NHL, 24.21, L Hughes, McDavid 24.19, Point 24.15, MacKinnon 24.05
22+ MPH bursts: MacKinnon 118, McDavid 66, Necas 49, Tippett 46, Wood 45, Hintz 44, Point 41
20+ MPH bursts: MacKinnon 717, McDavid 457, Point 436, Hintz 403, McLeod 373, Necas 363, Barzal 338, Anderson 335, Tippett 274

Tippett needs to learn to use his speed more consistently, but he has elite speed.

I will quote myself because why the F not.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Tippett had two RFA seasons left, so add in his 2 RFA seasons already played, and you get $5.2M for ten years v $7.5M for 8 years, in both cases, including 4 RFA seasons.

That's why you just can't compare contracts in a vacuum, big difference between player entering his UFA season negotiating an extension and a player with multiple RFA seasons left.

No. Both contracts are exactly what they are. No add in's no nothing.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Reminder - Speed ≠ Skating.

 

[trostol]

 

[Magua]

Tippet is elite physically AND possesses elite skater speed

Oh, he definitely has elite physical tools. Now, explain why this elite player, on the wing, only averages 5 points more than Frost. And not 40 goals like Boucher fantasizes about.

Just maybe hockey is about soft skills too.

 

[VladDrag]

Edge:
Tippett had fastest sprint time NHL, 24.21, L Hughes, McDavid 24.19, Point 24.15, MacKinnon 24.05
22+ MPH bursts: MacKinnon 118, McDavid 66, Necas 49, Tippett 46, Wood 45, Hintz 44, Point 41
20+ MPH bursts: MacKinnon 717, McDavid 457, Point 436, Hintz 403, McLeod 373, Necas 363, Barzal 338, Anderson 335, Tippett 274

Tippett needs to learn to use his speed more consistently, but he has elite speed.

Specifically, how does he need to use his speed more?

 

[deadhead]

Specifically, how does he need to use his speed more?

Look at the 20+ MPH bursts, that is, how often they skate fast but not full out.

I think that may reflect systems to some extent, but probably also the player's motor and conditioning, some players are constantly moving throughout their shift, instead of waiting for the action to come to them.

As far as skating, watching Tippett, he's pretty agile with a puck on his stick, he's able to deke defenders at the blue line to gain entry better than TK.

I think if they keep Tippett - Frost - TK together as a "speed" line and let them develop chemistry, they could score at close to a top line rate.
Tippett needs to learn how to set up his shot better instead of just firing away, and learn how to shoot (accuracy, quicker release) rather than try to power everything through the goalie.

 

[Magua]

“He needs to skate faster more by trying harder.”

This is stupefyingly facile. The NHL Edge data isn’t even limited to on-puck skating. Tippett’s ceiling is limited by what he does in the cycle where you can’t “burst” typically. His rush skating is the single biggest strength of his game. Baffling.

 

[FLYguy3911]

This is what happens when stats get in the wrong hands.

 

[DancingPanther]

Tippet f***ing sucks

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

This is what happens when stats get in the wrong hands.

I’m rounding a bit here, but there are roughly two Popes per square kilometer in the Vatican.

 

[Chicken N Raffls]

"Any player, coach, or Front Office person in the Flyers org" (Deady's algorithm) = a completely un-comparable person in another org.

Typically, the non comparable parts come in terms of overall success.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

i see the ghost of igor silent is back for the season...

 

[Magua]

I’m rounding a bit here, but there are roughly two Popes per square kilometer in the Vatican.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I know someone is talking that shouldn't and totally made this a complete shit show in here... jesus...