NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't know if it got out through him, or people on his group chat, but how is this not some sort of HIPAA violation either way?

The original screenshot includes the ME showing 8+ people in a group text. The person who shared the image is different as designated by the coloring of the messages. But yeah, that guy's borked. He's the one with professional responsibilities.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

What did this guy say? I don’t have twitter.

He deleted the tweet but this was his tweet.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

What did this guy say? I don’t have twitter.

I think in the early going when the rumors started flying about this he posted he could confirm it. My guess is he had no idea of that actually & was just trying to look like he knew.

He’s like a teenage kid from western Canada. He’s shown on twitter before to be pretty desperate to break into that business. He agreed to write for The Hockey News website in a non-paying capacity & then made a post on twitter being dumbfounded that they weren’t paying him. So I don’t think he’s too bright.

 

[Sombastate]

I think in the early going when the rumors started flying about this he posted he could confirm it. My guess is he had no idea of that actually & was just trying to look like he knew.

He’s like a teenage kid from western Canada. He’s shown on twitter before to be pretty desperate to break into that business. He agreed to write for The Hockey News website in a non-paying capacity & then made a post on twitter being dumbfounded that they weren’t paying him. So I don’t think he’s too bright.

he also reported that Michkov was gonna sign his ELC like two weeks after he signed it. Citing his "sources"

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

He deleted the tweet but this was his tweet.
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Jesus Christ. I hate people.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The loophole cometh. But hey, Tulsky can’t get an interview.

 

[landsbergfan]

The loophole cometh. But hey, Tulsky can’t get an interview.

Again why did we lose capfriendly . Very interested in figuring out the details on this one.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Love me some good old cap circumvention

 

[GKJ]

I never want to hear about tax free states ever again

 

[Beef Invictus]

The loophole cometh. But hey, Tulsky can’t get an interview.

Says a lot about the league that this took so long to do

 

[deadhead]

Still a $7.5M cap hit, eating 3? RFA seasons.
Gamble that last season's step up is sustainable.
2.11 pp/60 (5x5), last season 64th among forwards. Good two way forward. Finished 8th in Selke.

I'd say it's a fair deal, wouldn't call it a bargain.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Still a $7.5M cap hit, eating 3? RFA seasons.
Gamble that last season's step up is sustainable.
2.11 pp/60 (5x5), last season 64th among forwards. Good two way forward. Finished 8th in Selke.

I'd say it's a fair deal, wouldn't call it a bargain.

The guy just turned 22 in Feb

His yr 3 season mostly as a 21 yr old

33 goals
34 assists
67 pts
+23
9 GWG

I would say it's more than reasonable to think that was a kid establishing himself as a top forward and not much of a gamble on sustainability

Top notch defense on top of his offense (8th in Selke voting as you noted)

Locking 22 yr old kid in for 8 years at $7.5M to be one of the faces of franchise going forward is a great deal

Also, his prime years of career are covered in this extension

Given age of D the next 4 years is likely the window for Canes to really push for cup

They have trio clearly as faces of franchise

Aho (27 yrs old) - 4 years ($9.75M)
Svechnikov (24 yrs old) - 4 years ($7.75M)
Jarvis (22 yrs old) - 8 years ($7.5M)

Really question is getting consistent top goaltending.

I like Kochetkov and think it is time to let him run as the undisputed #1 (60-65 games not this 1A/1B sharing situation)

One thing that is interesting is how heavily they have drafted European goalies netminders in recent years

2023
5th round - G Ruslan Khazheyev (Russia)
7th round - G Yegor Velmakin (Russia)

2022
6th round - G Jakub Vondras (Czech)

2021
3rd round - G Patrik Hamrla (Czech)
6th round - G Nikita Quapp (Germany)
7th round - G Yegor Naumov (Russia)

2019
2nd round - Pyotr Kochetkov (Russia)

2018
7th round - Jacob Kucharski (USA)

2017
4th round - Eetu Makiniemi (Finland) = You guys just signed him as FA

I get the appeal of Russians because you hold rights indef at this point so if you draft a bunch and hit you potentially have diamond if you can bring them over

I actually like strategy of using later round picks on netminders to have flow of potential deeper in system especially drafting Russian. Of course, the likelihood of them panning out is not great but still more lotto tickets and you never know with goalies at draft

 

[landsbergfan]

Says a lot about the league that this took so long to do

Part of me is waiting to find out they’ll lose a draft pick for it. It’s particularly interesting with how the CBA is fashioned and revenue splits, escrow, etc.

 

[Magua]

If you can sign Tippett or Jarvis to an 8 year deal, you take Tippett every time. When Tippett was Jarvis’ age he had a career high of 21 points. Jarvis seems capped.

 

[deadhead]

Jarvis has four RFA seasons - always easier to sign these guys long-term.
The danger is that last season could be a breakout or an anomaly.

Tippett is signed to $6.2M AVV at 25, coming off 27 and 28 goal seasons.
Given his size and speed, he should remain near his peak through the contract (i.e. fastest time recorded by edge last season).

I wouldn't say Jarvis was a bargain compared to Tippett.

Jarvis is the better player, but not sure he has more remaining upside, as Tippett is a late bloomer whose elite physical skills exceed his playing ability right now.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

Jarvis played on the top unit on the best penalty killing team in the league at 21 years old. He also played on the Canes first powerplay unit which was second in the league last season. At even strength he spent most of his time with Aho and various wingers (Bunting, Teravainen, Guentzel), but he also spent a pretty significant chunk of time with Staal and Martinook. Again, he did this all at 21 (he turned 22 in February) with basically one shoulder (he tore his labrum/rotator cuff early in the season), and then put up 9 points in 11 playoff games dealing with that and a broken finger in the first round.


His cap hit is fantastic if he doesn't improve at all, and if he does it's a f***ing steal. As a Canes fan I could not be happier with this deal.

 

[Curufinwe]

Part of me is waiting to find out they’ll lose a draft pick for it. It’s particularly interesting with how the CBA is fashioned and revenue splits, escrow, etc.

I believe it’s explicitly allowed under the CBA. Doesn’t happen much because it usually wouldn’t benefit the players to get their money later than sooner.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Jarvis has four RFA seasons - always easier to sign these guys long-term.
The danger is that last season could be a breakout or an anomaly.

Tippett is signed to $6.2M AVV at 25, coming off 27 and 28 goal seasons.
Given his size and speed, he should remain near his peak through the contract (i.e. fastest time recorded by edge last season).

I wouldn't say Jarvis was a bargain compared to Tippett.

Jarvis is the better player, but not sure he has more remaining upside, as Tippett is a late bloomer whose elite physical skills exceed his playing ability right now.

interesting.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Jarvis has four RFA seasons - always easier to sign these guys long-term.
The danger is that last season could be a breakout or an anomaly.

Tippett is signed to $6.2M AVV at 25, coming off 27 and 28 goal seasons.
Given his size and speed, he should remain near his peak through the contract (i.e. fastest time recorded by edge last season).

I wouldn't say Jarvis was a bargain compared to Tippett.

Jarvis is the better player, but not sure he has more remaining upside, as Tippett is a late bloomer whose elite physical skills exceed his playing ability right now.

Lol no

 

[pit]

Jarvis played on the top unit on the best penalty killing team in the league at 21 years old. He also played on the Canes first powerplay unit which was second in the league last season. At even strength he spent most of his time with Aho and various wingers (Bunting, Teravainen, Guentzel), but he also spent a pretty significant chunk of time with Staal and Martinook. Again, he did this all at 21 (he turned 22 in February) with basically one shoulder (he tore his labrum/rotator cuff early in the season), and then put up 9 points in 11 playoff games dealing with that and a broken finger in the first round.


His cap hit is fantastic if he doesn't improve at all, and if he does it's a f***ing steal. As a Canes fan I could not be happier with this deal.

Sure sure, but how does he stack up against late-developing relies-on-his-physical-tools wunderkind Owen Tippett?

 

[deadhead]

Tippett is 6'1 210, an elite skater speed and burst wise who has pretty good edge work (one of the best Flyers entering the O-zone). High motor and stamina.

He has average hockey IQ, is a decent passer but not an instinctive playmaker.
Has been effective playing both LW and RW, so he provides some line flexibility.
He's got close to elite velocity on his shot, needs to work on accuracy, and setting up goaltenders.

His contract is very reasonable given his age and production.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Tippett is 6'1 210, an elite skater speed and burst wise who has pretty good edge work (one of the best Flyers entering the O-zone). High motor and stamina.

He has average hockey IQ, is a decent passer but not an instinctive playmaker.
Has been effective playing both LW and RW, so he provides some line flexibility.
He's got close to elite velocity on his shot, needs to work on accuracy, and setting up goaltenders.

His contract is very reasonable given his age and production.

All these elite skills the Flyers got a bargain.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Jarvis has four RFA seasons - always easier to sign these guys long-term.
The danger is that last season could be a breakout or an anomaly.

Tippett is signed to $6.2M AVV at 25, coming off 27 and 28 goal seasons.
Given his size and speed, he should remain near his peak through the contract (i.e. fastest time recorded by edge last season).

I wouldn't say Jarvis was a bargain compared to Tippett.

Jarvis is the better player, but not sure he has more remaining upside, as Tippett is a late bloomer whose elite physical skills exceed his playing ability right now.

I have waited so long for this.

Defense matters too and Jarvis is fantastic while Tippett is below average. What is it with this board and their obsession with only one side of the ice? You can't just keep the puck forever.

 

[freakydallas13]

I have waited so long for this.

Defense matters too and Jarvis is fantastic while Tippett is below average. What is it with this board and their obsession with only one side of the ice? You can't just keep the puck forever.

I feel like he walked right into that one.

 

[deadhead]

I have waited so long for this.

Defense matters too and Jarvis is fantastic while Tippett is below average. What is it with this board and their obsession with only one side of the ice? You can't just keep the puck forever.

Jarvis is the better player, but his $7.5M cap hit with 4 RFA years remaining, is more like $9M for the 4 UFA seasons and $6M for the 4 RFA seasons (i.e. team averages in overpaying RFA seasons and underpaying UFA seasons).

That is, both players are being paid commiserate with their production and their contract status, to compare apples to apples, you'd have to average in Tippett's RFA pay from 23-24. In which case the ten year average becomes $5.2M compared to $7.5M.