Value of: Minnesota Wild players

[AKL]

This is super premature, there's zero guarantee any of these guys are actually available in real life or will end up getting traded, but I wanted to gauge some values for some of these guys, just to see what the general populous thinks they could be. If you have examples of either comparable players that were moved/situations or players/prospects you think they'd return, that's even better.

In this scenario, the Wild are sitting well outside of the playoffs come TDL, and end up in the bottom 10 of teams in the league at the end. So ideally they'd be looking for picks/prospects/NHL ready young players.

At the deadline

Mats Zuccarello
2021-23 stats: 148GP-46G-146P
Plays on the first line with Kaprizov and Hartman
36 years old, 6M cap hit, expiring UFA

Ryan Hartman
2021-23 stats: 141GP-49G-102P
Plays on the first line with Kaprizov and Zuccarello
29 years old, 1.7M cap hit, expiring UFA

Marcus Foligno
2021-23 stats: 139GP-30G-63P
Plays on the third line, mostly with Eriksson Ek and Greenway
32 years old, 3.1M cap hit, expiring UFA

Brandon Duhaime
2021-23 stats: 131GP-15G-27P
Plays on the fourth line
26 years old, 1M cap hit, expiring UFA


Next summer

Kirill Kaprizov
2021-23 stats: 148GP-87G-183P
Plays on the top line with Hartman and Zuccarello
27 years old, 9M cap hit, 2 seasons remaining then UFA

Calen Addison
2021-23 stats: 77GP-5G-33P
Plays on the bottom pairing, top PP unit
24 years old, RFA with arbitration rights


Again, just trying to gauge the market for these guys in this scenario, not necessarily trying to sell them off.

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[Circulartheory]

This is super premature, there's zero guarantee any of these guys are actually available in real life or will end up getting traded, but I wanted to gauge some values for some of these guys, just to see what the general populous thinks they could be. If you have examples of either comparable players that were moved/situations or players/prospects you think they'd return, that's even better.

In this scenario, the Wild are sitting well outside of the playoffs come TDL, and end up in the bottom 10 of teams in the league at the end. So ideally they'd be looking for picks/prospects/NHL ready young players.

At the deadline

Mats Zuccarello
2021-23 stats: 148GP-46G-146P
Plays on the first line with Kaprizov and Hartman
36 years old, 6M cap hit, expiring UFA

Ryan Hartman
2021-23 stats: 141GP-49G-102P
Plays on the first line with Kaprizov and Zuccarello
29 years old, 1.7M cap hit, expiring UFA

Marcus Foligno
2021-23 stats: 139GP-30G-63P
Plays on the third line, mostly with Eriksson Ek and Greenway
32 years old, 3.1M cap hit, expiring UFA

Brandon Duhaime
2021-23 stats: 131GP-15G-27P
Plays on the fourth line
26 years old, 1M cap hit, expiring UFA


Next summer

Kirill Kaprizov
2021-23 stats: 148GP-87G-183P
Plays on the top line with Hartman and Zuccarello
27 years old, 9M cap hit, 2 seasons remaining then UFA


Again, just trying to gauge the market for these guys in this scenario, not necessarily trying to sell them off.

Throw in Calen Addison in the equation.
2021-23 stats: 105GP-10G-63P
Plays on the 3rd pairing, mans #1 PP/#2 PP (fell out of favor later in the 2023-23 season)
23 years old, $0.825M cap hit, expiring RFA

 

[AKL]

Throw in Calen Addison in the equation.
2021-23 stats: 105GP-10G-63P
Plays on the 3rd pairing, mans #1 PP/#2 PP (fell out of favor later in the 2023-23 season)
23 years old, $0.825M cap hit, expiring RFA

Added him to the next summer section because I don't think he has value as a deadline acquisition unless it's part of a larger deal with Minnesota acquiring a bigger player.

 

[Dennis Reynolds]

I thought this thread was going to be about guys who liked to party hard.

 

[Circulartheory]

Added him to the next summer section because I don't think he has value as a deadline acquisition unless it's part of a larger deal with Minnesota acquiring a bigger player.

I dunno, I think there's a market for a young defenseman who's shown some promise. Inconsistent yes but you have his age to interest buyers. Which I think this thread might shed some light on.

 

[AKL]

I dunno, I think there's a market for a young defenseman who's shown some promise. Inconsistent yes but you have his age to interest buyers. Which I think this thread might shed some light on.

I agree, just not generally at the trade deadline

 

[Bond]

Kaprisov will be on the Wild until at least next summer or the next deadline. I don't think they would get the return that would warrant trading him before then unless they'd be happy with the pick + prospect quantity package.

 

[AKL]

Kaprisov will be on the Wild until at least next summer or the next deadline. I don't think they would get the return that would warrant trading him before then unless they'd be happy with the pick + prospect quantity package.

Well the idea behind trading him next summer would be that he has a full NMC that goes into effect on July 1. So next summer, probably at the 2024 draft, will likely be the most we'd ever get for him.

 

[Bond]

Well the idea behind trading him next summer would be that he has a full NMC that goes into effect on July 1. So next summer, probably at the 2024 draft, will likely be the most we'd ever get for him.

Yeah, I did miss the next summer part lol. Cap is opening up next summer so that helps as well. Would be interesting to see what he would return. It would all be about getting the best prospect available. Typically UFA returns are kind of duds. I say this expecting the same for any of the Flames that get traded

 

[McJedi]

As much as I despise the Wild, you could have some good rentals on your hands at the TDL. Any of them four could fetch a decent return IMO. Especially Hartman. That’s a slick deal at his cap hit. If retained 50%, then he’s below $1mm today. Game 1. Nice.

 

[biturbo19]

Zuc would have to come with heavy retention to have any real value as a deadline "rental". I feel like at $3M, he'd be great value for somebody...but i'm not sure NHL GMs would necessarily feel the same about renting a tiny little runt of a player like that, even if he really doesn't back down or play particularly small in reality. It's hard to gauge what he'd be worth as a result though.


Hartman would fetch a haul. Cheap contract, hugely versatile as a C/W who can play on pretty much any line and score goals, plays a gritty "playoff ready" game. He'd fetch at least a 1st round pick or comparable prospect, if not more.


Foligno would also be bigtime tradebait if they decided to move him. The contract is a little heavy, but he's exactly the sort of rugged "power forward" that teams will trip over each other to add at the deadline for a playoff run. Also one of those guys who you'd love to have in your bottom-6, but has shown that he has the game to actually slide up the lineup to a scoring line for a stint if you just need a big, physical guy to do some spadework on a line with more skilled guys.


Duhaime is effectively worth whatever the compensation for a waivers claim is. Unremarkable 10 minute a night, ~15pt 4th line bangers who aren't PK or faceoff aces or anything, have next to zero appreciable value. Nobody is really looking to add guys like that at the deadline.


Addison definitely isn't really a "deadline deal" sort of guy. Teams aren't looking to add tiny, defensively questionable PP specialists to gear up for their big playoff run. Teams in a position to be adding at the deadline already generally have their powerplay pretty well sorted. They aren't looking to bring in a guy who is going to be a liability that you'll have to really shelter on defence. He might have some value to other teams earlier in the season or in the summer, especially on a basically minimum dollar contract. But you're probably looking at a small pool of "non-competitive" teams who are just playing out the season waiting for their next top draft pick...and the "value" in trade probably reflects that. Even if he's fallen out of favour with the coaches there...his return in trade is probably so marginal it doesn't necessarily make sense to pull the trigger on.


Kaprizov...honestly, i don't even know where to start on this one. He'd have extremely high value, but it's one of those trades that just doesn't make even a shred of sense for Minnesota. There's just zero realistic potential for them to "win" a trade like that. Moving a young superstar...the team doing that always loses that trade. Teams in a position to make that deal aren't typically in possession of the bluechip young "centerpiece" to make it a "quality for quality" swap. So it always ends up being a "quality for quantity" deal. The team acquiring "quantity" is pretty much guaranteed to "lose" that trade overall. Makes him virtually untradeable, from a pragmatic standpoint.

 

[pth2]

Marcus Foligno would be pretty easily worth a 2nd as well as a 5th if there's retention.

I think Dominic Moore being rented to Montreal in 2010 is a solid comparison.

 

[StewieP19]

This is super premature, there's zero guarantee any of these guys are actually available in real life or will end up getting traded, but I wanted to gauge some values for some of these guys, just to see what the general populous thinks they could be. If you have examples of either comparable players that were moved/situations or players/prospects you think they'd return, that's even better.

In this scenario, the Wild are sitting well outside of the playoffs come TDL, and end up in the bottom 10 of teams in the league at the end. So ideally they'd be looking for picks/prospects/NHL ready young players.

At the deadline

Mats Zuccarello
2021-23 stats: 148GP-46G-146P
Plays on the first line with Kaprizov and Hartman
36 years old, 6M cap hit, expiring UFA

Ryan Hartman
2021-23 stats: 141GP-49G-102P
Plays on the first line with Kaprizov and Zuccarello
29 years old, 1.7M cap hit, expiring UFA

Marcus Foligno
2021-23 stats: 139GP-30G-63P
Plays on the third line, mostly with Eriksson Ek and Greenway
32 years old, 3.1M cap hit, expiring UFA

Brandon Duhaime
2021-23 stats: 131GP-15G-27P
Plays on the fourth line
26 years old, 1M cap hit, expiring UFA


Next summer

Kirill Kaprizov
2021-23 stats: 148GP-87G-183P
Plays on the top line with Hartman and Zuccarello
27 years old, 9M cap hit, 2 seasons remaining then UFA

Calen Addison
2021-23 stats: 77GP-5G-33P
Plays on the bottom pairing, top PP unit
24 years old, RFA with arbitration rights


Again, just trying to gauge the market for these guys in this scenario, not necessarily trying to sell them off.

They will be 3rd in the Division

 

[AKL]

They will be 3rd in the Division

That's not really the point here but I appreciate the vote of confidence

 

[Hodge]

Kaprizov screams Vegas. They'll have the cap space with Marchessault and Martinez coming off the books.

 

[aylib]

Foligno's PO numbers: 28GP-2G-5A-7P with 70PIMs

 

[Circulartheory]

I think likely we will be disappointed in the return offers for Foligno (probably mid round picks) - meaning we may just end up not moving him and re-signing him. I still think we will make the POs so with Zucc, the return won't outweigh his points in the playoffs, though maybe let go into free agency.

The major haul is going to come from Hartman (probably a late 1st or a B+ prospect, Nick Foligno type of TDL trade) and trading Addison before/by the deadline (late 2nd/early 3rd pick, similar to lower Luke Kunin's trade). So for a team that already has a top 10 prospect pool, we might end up with 2 1st and 2 2nds in the 2024 draft to add to that

 

[BagHead]

I can't blame a team for not paying much for Foligno. At a time when the refs are notorious for losing their whistles, they seem to hold them in their mouths any time Foligno is on the ice. He's got a reputation now, which is earned, but overblown.

 

[57special]

Stating the obvious here, but Foligno's value has gone down after last season, as opposed to his 2021-22 season, when it was sky high. We can only speculate what this season will be like. If it's somewhere in between, then he should fetch either two 2nds, or a late 1st. I think what happened last year in the playoffs as far as penalties is something that both Foligno, and the league, will want to put behind them. Those calls were atrocious, and embarrassing to the league.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Oh well, it looks like people don't belive much that Minnesota will trade Kaprizov...

 

[AKL]

Oh well, it looks like people don't belive much that Minnesota will trade Kaprizov...

I don't believe they'll trade him either, I'm just exploring what the perceived value is

 

[Jared Dunn]

Kaprizov screams Vegas. They'll have the cap space with Marchessault and Martinez coming off the books.

Don't think they could even come close to scraping together the assets

 

[McJedi]

I don't believe they'll trade him either, I'm just exploring what the perceived value is

Kaprizov is too difficult to value.

The other four though, I think I could and be close.

Hartman is the most valuable. At 50% retained, I’d give you the Avs 2024 1st right now. Top 3 protected. I think he’ll fetch a first. Zuc probably does as well at 50% retained. A 2nd for Foligno at 50% retained.

 

[Circulartheory]

Kaprizov is too difficult to value.

The other four though, I think I could and be close.

Hartman is the most valuable. At 50% retained, I’d give you the Avs 2024 1st right now. Top 3 protected. I think he’ll fetch a first. Zuc probably does as well at 50% retained. A 2nd for Foligno at 50% retained.

I don't think the 50% retention adds anything at a $1.7mil AAV salary cap. I think he gets that 1st from another contending team easily without it. And if a team really requires retention, it would suggest that the offering team's cap situation is fairly desperate + highly interested in Hartman; the Wild could squeeze a 2nd/3rd out of that. But I just don't see that playing out.

 

[Webster]

So Hartman is more valuable than Zuccarello...lol

Hartman is a journeyman who had 37 points last season. He also can't control his emotions, leading to a lot of stupid penalties, he even got benched in an effort to sort out his head. He doesn't fight much, still had 90 PIM last season. No GM would love this, if he's traded the Wild should be happy with a 3rd.