Minnesota Wild General Discussion XIX

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Nino Noderreiter

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I know that we are all huge Boldy fans and love him and think he's great. But are we sure that we aren't yet properly talking about him in the way that we should?

Boldy has made things look easy from Day 1 playing top 6 minutes on a playoff team averaging over 70 points per 82 games and playing an extremely strong two-way game. Boldy has also done what most rookies struggle to do and actually been a line-driver in a lot of ways (though in Boldy's own unique way) where most rookies may score some points but struggle to drive positive play consistently especially at a playoff-contender level.

Fiala & Gaudreau are averaging over 110 & 60 points per 82 games in games playing with Boldy after averaging about 50 & 30 points per 82 games without him. Now part of that is the difference between Boldy and replacement players like Rask in that spot, but the majority of the difference is really Boldy. The majority of the difference is that Boldy is a unique player in which he pretty much makes consistent positive players in all 3 zones of the ice whether he has the puck or without the puck no matter what the current play happens to be. Boldy is a really strong player in generating transition chances both entering the puck with possession off the rush & generating chances but also using area passes to spring high danger chances for line mates.

He's great at finding soft spots without the puck and always makes quick decisions whether firing shots on net against a goalie that isn't set, changing the angle and throwing off the goalie, or firing a pass as soon as it touches his stick to an open player as he processes the game one-two plays ahead and causes defenses to scramble. He's great at protecting the puck on the wall off the cycle and funneling pucks to high-danger areas. He's great around the net & can score goals from all kinds of weird angles... he's great at finding space in the slot and getting pucks off. He's got a great release. He's a huge difference maker on the PP and one of our best players at moving the puck quickly to break down the PK box. He almost never turns the puck over in a way that leads to odd-man rushes or negative plays against.

In my opinion, a big part of the reason that Fiala/Gaudreau have seen the success they have is because Boldy is a player who makes quick-decisions consistently all over the ice that lead to positive plays that increase the teams chances to generate scoring chances. He's like a PG who already knows how the defense will collapse once the initial pass is made and whether he's finishing the play, making the pass to the cutter or the alley oop player at the rim, making a hockey pass that leads to the pass that scores, pushing the puck in transition or slowing things down he is always making the right play and putting the defense on their heels.

What does it mean if Boldy is this good in this many different areas at 20-21 years old and is a difference maker and top 3-4 caliber forward on a playoff contender who plays both ways and scores 70-75ppg? What happens if instead of 15 mpg TOI he gets 17-18mpg TOI and he starts to fill out 10-20 pounds to his frame? Boldy might actually be a Rantanen or Stone level player and he might not be far off from that level of play already.
 

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If Boldy can add a little more strength on his feet and overall muscle to his game, he is an absolute nightmare for opposing teams. As it stands now, he is trending towards a type of player that has rarely been seen in this league in terms skill, athleticism, puck possession, distribution, and strength.

I don’t recall a player coming into the league and being able gain the offensive zone off the hop the way he does with ease so consistently.
 

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Dumba's injuries and the way they have affected him physically are the reason that I don't think he is worth nearly 6M now. And, I would trade him to keep Fiala
 

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Implications being that even if he is back for the start, he will not be even close to 100%. This makes how many years in a row where one or more of our top 4 has been injured when the games actually matter? Frustrating for sure to know we never get to see our full potential but at least this team has enough offensive firepower to make up for that.
 

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If our powerplay can keep up with how it was today, we might be able to do something. We should have a great powerplay with all our weapons. Maybe it’s finally gelling now that Fiala is on the top unit.
What I've noticed (actually Ryan carter was talking about this) is the movement on the PP. It is no longer the stagnant, limited movement PP that we have see for years. 4 of the 5 guys on the PP can and do move very well with the puck. All can and do shoot. At least three of the 5 are good at zone entries, and even Spurgeon is decent.
Now PP #2 is another story.
 

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Dumba's injuries and the way they have affected him physically are the reason that I don't think he is worth nearly 6M now. And, I would trade him to keep Fiala
For me, the type of defensemen Dumba plays like was a rarity when he was drafted in 2012. Offensive minded defensemen that can provide a physical side to their game are way more common when you start looking at the 2000 birth year class and later.

I've watched a lot of USHL this year and it's almost hard to find someone I would consider a "defensive" defensemen. I think the way the game has changed, and how young defensemen being taught to get involved in the offense more makes him very expendable to keep someone like Fiala.
 

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fine by me


I should rephrase. I think Rossi is a better player than Jost, but i think that the same things that limit Jost also limit Rossi
I see a lot of similarities in Granlund and Rossi. Hyped similarly as a prospect and similar strengths and weaknesses. This gives me hope because Granlund improved his strength and skating by leaps and bounds, he was constantly muscled off the puck/falling over when his career began. Hopefully Rossi will do the same as time passes.
Main thing is that we have to be patient with Rossi.

- Granlund played 140 games after being drafted(Liiga, AHL, Finland), and before being a full time NHL'er.
- Fiala played 160 games(SHL, AHL, SWI) before being a full time NHL'er.
- Brodin, a child prodigy, played 88 games before the NHL.

None of the above had to overcome a life threatening illness that delayed his training for many months.

- Rossi has played 74 games since being drafted.

I hope he gets a call up, mainly to keep his spirits up, but also to get a taste of the NHL. We'll see what next year brings, but as you can see, he is still on track for a top end prospect - just not a freak like Lundell or Mercer who can step right into the league. There are very few of those, and we can see where some were brought up prematurely such as Laf, Jost, and Kakko.
 

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Main thing is that we have to be patient with Rossi.

- Granlund played 140 games after being drafted(Liiga, AHL, Finland), and before being a full time NHL'er.
- Fiala played 160 games(SHL, AHL, SWI) before being a full time NHL'er.
- Brodin, a child prodigy, played 88 games before the NHL.

None of the above had to overcome a life threatening illness that delayed his training for many months.

- Rossi has played 74 games since being drafted.

I hope he gets a call up, mainly to keep his spirits up, but also to get a taste of the NHL. We'll see what next year brings, but as you can see, he is still on track for a top end prospect - just not a freak like Lundell or Mercer who can step right into the league. There are very few of those, and we can see where some were brought up prematurely such as Laf, Jost, and Kakko.

Yeah but to be fair, Boldy only played 80. I guess 87 if you count the WJC. And he probably could have made it after around 70 or so.
 

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Yeah but to be fair, Boldy only played 80. I guess 87 if you count the WJC. And he probably could have made it after around 70 or so.
I'm not sure equating games played across leagues is all that helpful here. Boldy played in a league that doesn't play that many games, gives more time to practice instead, and that total of games was over the course of a couple of years. Rossi has played one year in a league that plays a ton of games, and missed nearly all of the other year with a major illness that also forced him not to develop physically while he suffered from it. The situations and games just aren't comparable.

Also Boldy is a freak.
 

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Boldy’s pace is just a tad behind Kaprizov’s in his rookie year, but hens doing it 3 years earlier. Who do you guys think has the higher ceiling?
 

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Boldy’s pace is just a tad behind Kaprizov’s in his rookie year, but hens doing it 3 years earlier. Who do you guys think has the higher ceiling?
Looks promising, but won't really know, we'll see who complimented who when they're no longer playing with each other, or if they were just a great combo who brought the best out in one another.
 

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Even Kaprizov isn't supposed to be as good as he is now. I have enough trouble just getting my head around that.
He is one of the best players I have ever seen.
 

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Boldy’s pace is just a tad behind Kaprizov’s in his rookie year, but hens doing it 3 years earlier. Who do you guys think has the higher ceiling?
I'm right there with Dr. Jan on this one, it's awesome that we even need to take a second to consider it, but I'm going with Kaprizov, for now. Development for each player can play out very differently, and Boldy may not improve as much as Kaprizov has. Expecting Boldy to become a 100 point player seems like a recipe for disappointment, but hoping he reaches that level feels sorta nice.

Can't believe this kid fell to us. I was worried we'd draft Podkolzin (I wasn't a big believer in him) until that happened, and I'm so glad it did!
 
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Boldy’s pace is just a tad behind Kaprizov’s in his rookie year, but hens doing it 3 years earlier. Who do you guys think has the higher ceiling?
Kaprizov is basically hitting Boldy's ceiling already. Can Boldy surpass that? Tough to fathom, but I guess it is possible, but I think seeing Kap there now gives Kap the edge.

Boldy is so smart and so skilled... yet seeing that in the size package he comes in? When this kid fills out... watch out NHL! That's all I know.
 

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If Boldy can add a little more strength on his feet and overall muscle to his game, he is an absolute nightmare for opposing teams. As it stands now, he is trending towards a type of player that has rarely been seen in this league in terms skill, athleticism, puck possession, distribution, and strength.

I don’t recall a player coming into the league and being able gain the offensive zone off the hop the way he does with ease so consistently.

Exactly this. The other area I think he can improve in is building an emphasis in his game to improve his game speed by being better foundationally at moving his feet without the puck to generate speed. The example I use is early career Granlund to pre-trade. He was a player who wasn’t an elite skater but played really fast because of the consistent extra effort he put in without the puck to generate speed. This is a small but impactful thing that will help him a lot on zone entries through the neutral zone and scoring off the rush.
 

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I'm right there with Dr. Jan on this one, it's awesome that we even need to take a second to consider it, but I'm going with Kaprizov, for now. Development for each player can play out very differently, and Boldy may not improve as much as Kaprizov has. Expecting Boldy to become a 100 point player seems like a recipe for disappointment, but hoping he reaches that level feels sorta nice.

Can't believe this kid fell to us. I was worried we'd draft Podkolzin (I wasn't a big believer in him) until that happened, and I'm so glad it did!

I think it will depend on linemates and usage to some extent—but I have a hard time translating how good a player like him can be after adding 20-25 pounds to his frame
and better habits moving his feet without the puck to improve his game speed a smidge.

I hope that Boldy will get to play with linemates like Fiala or better. The magic of Boldy’s game opens up when he’s playing off of other elite talent that is as creative as him. Boldy is already a 70point player despite just 15 total TOI and 2 PP TOI . Maybe he’s not quite that level yet with Fiala’s tear but it feels decently right.

If you upped Boldy’s usage to 1st line levels adding 1-1.5 PP TOI & 2-2.5 ES TOU and he could even be already better than that line and maybe even closer to PPG. The rest I reserve open as he develops.

Funnily enough I actually think Kap is the perfect player for him. There are a few similarities once you factor out height/length/frame between Zuccarello and Boldy with their ability to think the game at a high level play at the same wave length as offensive talent and pretty much do a little bit of everything from scoring to passing to puck battles off the rush or off the cycle.

Now Boldy is 3/4 of a foot taller but I digress. Those two playing off of eachother with their creativity would lead to some cool attempts at plays.
 

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I'm sure Kaprizov will work well with Boldy. But there's something Zuccarello does that no other player will do. He works with Kaprizov on the ice after practice, teaching him things, and Kaprizov obviously loves this. I believe Zucc will also become a mentor for Rossi when he's up here to stay. Who knows, Guerin might hire Zucc as a coach when he retires as a player.
 
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I'm sure Kaprizov will work well with Boldy. But there's something Zuccarello does that no other player will do. He works with Kaprizov on the ice after practice, teaching him things, and Kaprizov obviously loves this. I believe Zucc will also become a mentor for Rossi when he's up here to stay. Who knows, Guerin might hire Zucc as a coach when he retires as a player.
Ideally you keep Zucc with Kap, maintaining the formula that makes Kap a 100+ player, and Boldy with Fiala, continuing that pairing that makes him a 80+ point player.

Sprinkle in Hartman, Gaudreau, and Rossi to taste.
 
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If Spurgeon is hurt we are screwed going into the playoffs. We need Dumba, and especially, Brodin and Spurgeon, or we have no chance.
 

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I have entertained the Boldy/Kap thoughts as well, not sure he has the skating or as good of a shot as kap but it is fun to think about the damage he can do in his prime. Take Fiala away and that could mess things up but we can also dream what a pair of wings Boldy and Kap would make.
 
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