Minnesota Wild General Discussion 2024-25

[57special]

Sure would be nice if one of the young players from the AHL came in and actually showed a pulse. We've had Boldy, then Rossi do it, though the latter took quite a while. Duhaime and Dewar, I guess. Walker didn't do it, nor Beckman, Hunt isn't, Milne, or Ohgren.

 

[BagHead]

He now has 7 ES points in 18 games. I'm not saying he sucks. I'm saying it's currently below expectations and I don't see how that is controversial.

• In Eriksson Ek's last 4 years (before this one) he scored even strength points at a rate of 0.476 per game.
• If we use the last two seasons only, his two best offensive years, it was a rate of 0.497.
• This year he's scoring them at a rate of 0.388 per game.
  • The problem is that the sample size is only 18 games, and these stretches happen for him, as they happen for anyone. Last year was his best offensive season and he only scored 6 even strength points between the 18 games spanning November 9th - December 19th, 0.333 per game.

So I have to ask myself, do I think JEE is more likely to slow down in scoring the rest of this season, or increase his pace by the end of the year?

 

[thestonedkoala]

When do you think Trenin is going to score his first goal?

And was he worth the signing?

 

[AKL]

When do you think Trenin is going to score his first goal?

Next season

And was he worth the signing?

No

 

[thestonedkoala]

No

He's helped the PK and has been a great addition to the third line.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

• In Eriksson Ek's last 4 years (before this one) he scored even strength points at a rate of 0.476 per game.
• If we use the last two seasons only, his two best offensive years, it was a rate of 0.497.
• This year he's scoring them at a rate of 0.388 per game.
  • The problem is that the sample size is only 18 games, and these stretches happen for him, as they happen for anyone. Last year was his best offensive season and he only scored 6 even strength points between the 18 games spanning November 9th - December 19th, 0.333 per game.

So I have to ask myself, do I think JEE is more likely to slow down in scoring the rest of this season, or increase his pace by the end of the year?

I think it'll increase. Still doesn't change the fact that he has been the 3rd best producing center on the team for what is now a quarter of the way through the season, and anywhere from 23% to 28% less than what we've been accustomed to over the last 1-4 years. He shouldn't get a complete pass on that just because we're winning and he plays some defense.

All of this is because somebody was using Gaudreau to pull Rossi down, and I just pointed out that both are comfortably ahead of Eriksson Ek so far.

He's helped the PK and has been a great addition to the third line.

Our PK% has actually got down by a point, but at least we've improved by 3 spots.

 

[AKL]

He's helped the PK and has been a great addition to the third line.

I'm not sure he's actually been either of those things relative to what we've had in the past, but the one thing I do know he is is way more expensive than a fourth liner should be

 

[BagHead]

I think it'll increase. Still doesn't change the fact that he has been the 3rd best producing center on the team for what is now a quarter of the way through the season, and anywhere from 23% to 28% less than what we've been accustomed to over the last 1-4 years. He shouldn't get a complete pass on that just because we're winning and he plays some defense.

All of this is because somebody was using Gaudreau to pull Rossi down, and I just pointed out that both are comfortably ahead of Eriksson Ek so far.


Our PK% has actually got down by a point, but at least we've improved by 3 spots.

No, I agree he shouldn't get a complete pass from that, I just wanted to be clear that I don't think this is typical JEE, this is just his low-end. I also have been thinking he might be injured because he's looked slightly off to me recently.

But yeah, I think it's cool that Gaudreau has pulled himself out of his funk from last year. I'm not sure why anyone should want to act as though that diminishes what Rossi is doing rather than adds to what the team is doing, but sometimes people can't help but compare players against each other. It's pretty normal human behavior to make comparisons, even if I don't agree with them.

 

[Digitalbooya]

He shouldn't get a complete pass on that just because we're winning and he plays some defense.

No line with Eriksson Ek on it has higher than 1.27 goals against per 60 minutes.

All of this is because somebody was using Gaudreau to pull Rossi down, and I just pointed out that both are comfortably ahead of Eriksson Ek so far.

I’m not pulling Rossi down. Just sick of the “he’s a victim” mentality.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

No line with Eriksson Ek on it has higher than 1.27 goals against per 60 minutes.

I’m not pulling Rossi down. Just sick of the “he’s a victim” mentality.

I don't think he's a victim either. I just think anybody that plays with Kaprizov is going to do better than they would otherwise, so it's a moot point bringing it up.

So unless anybody doesn't think Rossi is also passing the eye test, which I would disagree with, I'm not too worried if he's being "propped up" by Kaprizov (because anybody would be), I'm more concerned if he's taking things off the table compared to anybody else.

But, he's also not currently playing with Kaprizov so maybe it's all moot right now.

 

[NHL1674]

He's helped the PK and has been a great addition to the third line.

Not for that price.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Not for that price.

Cheaper than Foligno!

 

[NHL1674]

Cheaper than Foligno!

At least Foligno has shown up on the score sheet several times. I know that players can make an impact in other ways beyond getting on the scoreboard, but he has ONE point. Foligno may not be worth his contract either, which makes it even more ridiculous that Billy again handed out an even worse contract to Trenin.

We had 44 shots on goal last night. Trenin was one of only two players who had zero shots. Not cool.

 

[AKL]

I know that players can make an impact in other ways beyond getting on the scoreboard,

I'm still not even sure Trenin is doing this above a replacement level

Trenin's contract makes Foligno's look like a steal

 

[NHL1674]

I'm still not even sure Trenin is doing this above a replacement level

Trenin's contract makes Foligno's look like a steal

Foligno doesn't even look that bad. Heck, Freddy and Mojo have looked decent the past week. I see zero progress from Trenin. Just don't know how you get him going.....put him up with Kap and see what happens.

 

[Digitalbooya]

But, he's also not currently playing with Kaprizov so maybe it's all moot right now.

Not quite true. Last night, he got the Ek treatment from earlier this year (separate 5v5 line, PP1 unit).

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Not quite true. Last night, he got the Ek treatment from earlier this year (separate 5v5 line, PP1 unit).

I meant 5v5 since we have been talking about ES points. He's only on PP1 right now because Zuccarello is out.

 

[Circulartheory]

Random thought, how's everyone's thought on the PP entries featuring the drop pass?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Random thought, how's everyone's thought on the PP entries featuring the drop pass?

Not a fan, at least with how structured it seems to be.

 

[AKL]

Random thought, how's everyone's thought on the PP entries featuring the drop pass?

When it works I don't care, but it's so incredibly predictable, it's the only thing they try, and when it isn't working it's the most frustrating thing in the world to watch them keep attempting

 

[Digitalbooya]

I meant 5v5 since we have been talking about ES points. He's only on PP1 right now because Zuccarello is out.

Which is how it should be when everyone is healthy. Sucks for Rossi, but there isn’t a single player he deserves to play over in their power play role.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Which is how it should be when everyone is healthy. Sucks for Rossi, but there isn’t a single player he deserves to play over in their power play role.

I don’t disagree.

 

[57special]

He's helped the PK and has been a great addition to the third line.

Our PK is 27th in the league, and i would say that you have a very low bar for the word, "great".

His play last night on the 2nd GA, where he hung back with JEE and WPG player at the far end of the ice, effectively leaving his team in a 4 on 3, was astonishingly stupid.

 

[Circulartheory]

When it works I don't care, but it's so incredibly predictable, it's the only thing they try, and when it isn't working it's the most frustrating thing in the world to watch them keep attempting

That's where I am at. The concept isn't bad, it's a tool. But it seems like the ONLY tool they are using when there are so many chances to gain the zone by simply skating the puck in. And it's not like we are void of talent to go in with speed.

So I'm not the only one rolling my eyes

 

[Puhis]

I'd like to see them double it up at times. Drop pass like now to Kaprizov but have a guy making in soccer terms "a shadow striker" run towards one of the flanks when their check moves in on the first pass. Eventually coaches will start to accept that as a possibility, so you can keep running that play but don't have to make the second pass each time.

Would be easier to explain visually but, eh, it's not a move unheard of.