It’s gonna be awesome when in 3-5 years we still have a middling team and Chicago has hit on their top 5 pics from them bottoming out. We get to be destroyed by them routinely for the rest of my years of giving a single f***. Awesome
Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2022-23
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Parise is certainly not the player he once was, but he’s averaging over 16 minutes per game and would be 5th on the Wild in both goals and points.
This may be a testament to how bad the Wild actually are, though.
- Dec 10, 2012
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I'd wonder how sustainable those numbers are. He's got 7 5v5 points, 4 PP points. If he were here he'd likely have 0-1 PP points, and the 4 even strength points he's got that aren't at 5v5 probably wouldn't exist either.
I don't think he'd be put in the position to get those points here like he is there.
Reaves was thought to be making the team worse. Figured that would be right up your alley.
Fleury already is getting a majority of the starts. He also has a better record than Gustavsson.
If that was your plan... There's no shot of us getting a top 5 pick.
The team won't just actively tank unless you gut it or there are injuries. You act like it's just a freaking switch, where we can just decide to lose to get a top pick and then flip it back on when the buyouts are done. It doesn't work that way.
They should be open to Domi and Dvorak. Whether or not you want them doesn't really matter. Both of them could help this team potentially reach the 2nd round, have lower cap hits and wouldn't cost a top prospect to acquire. Toews wouldn't cost Rossi and Horvat would probably cost a 1st+b prospect.
I'm okay with trading our prospects when the moment is right. That moment is the season after next.
Ideally, we could pull something like Dumba (50%) for a 1st+prospect, sign Faber, and 2nd for Domi/Dvorak this season. We don't lose a draft pick or prospect in the system, and the team is better.:
Kap-Domi/Dvorak-Zucc
Boldy-Gaudreau-Hartman
GREEF
Shaw-Dewar-Reaves
Middleton-Spurgeon
Brodin-Faber
Merrill-Addison
Goligoski
Gus
MAF
It's hilarious how backwards this is currently speaking.
Minnewildsota
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It’s weird. It’s pretty much the same people that are worried Kap is going to leave after his contract is up because the Wild suck.
So the solution is to suck harder? Making Kap happier? I don’t understand this logic at all
Sad People
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I had something like this written up but decided to not post it. Sounds like a great pitch to the guy,
Kap is gone no matter what we do. We should trade him now instead of watching him Gaborik us
I do think that getting a top center is probably only done through the draft. It's just not realistic given our current roster. It does suck, but it is what it is.
TaLoN
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There's a lot of overlap maybe, but they are not tree exact same groups of people.
I've been concerned about Kap wanting out eventually just like Gaborik due to the lack of quality talent around him... but at no point have I EVER been in favor of tanking.
Go figure, you get a group of people, you get a wide range of opinions.
Beckman and Walker recalled... did I miss something?
NM. Forgot Shaw suspension and Moose hurt
NM. Forgot Shaw suspension and Moose hurt
- Dec 10, 2012
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It's still interesting that they would call up Beckman and Walker to replace Shaw and Foligno. Their roles don't overlap at all. I mean I suppose either of the AHL guys could play fourth line, but they don't bring the same elements Shaw does.
The callup options in the AHL are Cramarossa, Petan, Fogarty, Rossi, Beckman, and Walker. One could argue for or against any of them, but none are great options. Walker and Beckman seemed to play the fastest and try the hardest of that group.
Milne seems like he is the closest to what Shaw is as a player, but I think he needs more seasoning before he's ready for a callup.
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Might not know if you don't try. Cramarossa, Petan, Fogarty and Rossi don't move the needle this season. I'd be on board with seeing what Milne looks like on the fourth line. But I also don't care which one of those callups it is (apart from Rossi, don't want him back here yet).
I liked Milne a lot in camp, but I didn't think his game was anywhere close to being NHL quality. I wouldn't mind if he was called up, but I don't mind if he spends all season in the AHL either.
Walker would have been my first choice as a callup, after that I don't know who I'd want. I do know I don't want: Petan, Fogarty, Cramarossa, Baddock, or Rossi.
Can someone explain to me how we are going to make the cap work for next year?
Kap-XXXX-Zucc
XXXX-XXXX-Hartman
GREEF
XXXX-Dewar-XXXX
Middleton-Spurgeon
Brodin-XXXX
Merrill-XXXX
Goligoski
XXXX
MAF
This roster uses $66.3M with the roster + dead cap. If the cap increases by $1M as expected, that leaves $17.2M to sign 1C/2RW (depends on Hartman), 2C, Boldy, two 4th liners, one pressbox forward, Addison, Faber and Gus.
Boldy ~ $6.5M
Addison ~ $3M
Faber ~ $.925M
Gus ~ $2.5M
4th liner ~ .8
4th liner ~ .8
4th liner ~ .8
That's $15.325M, leaving roughly $1.875M for 1C/2RW and 2C. IF Rossi takes one spot, roughly $1M for the other...
Are we content with a guy like Walker having that other spot full time? Are we going to trade Addison/Gus? Lowball some guys? Bridge Boldy so save cap? Hope MAF retires? Trade current cap (Goli, MAF, Greenway, Zucc)?
I certainly didn't expect Gus and Addison to be playing as well as they have.
This offseason is going to be a shit show.
Kap-XXXX-Zucc
XXXX-XXXX-Hartman
GREEF
XXXX-Dewar-XXXX
Middleton-Spurgeon
Brodin-XXXX
Merrill-XXXX
Goligoski
XXXX
MAF
This roster uses $66.3M with the roster + dead cap. If the cap increases by $1M as expected, that leaves $17.2M to sign 1C/2RW (depends on Hartman), 2C, Boldy, two 4th liners, one pressbox forward, Addison, Faber and Gus.
Boldy ~ $6.5M
Addison ~ $3M
Faber ~ $.925M
Gus ~ $2.5M
4th liner ~ .8
4th liner ~ .8
4th liner ~ .8
That's $15.325M, leaving roughly $1.875M for 1C/2RW and 2C. IF Rossi takes one spot, roughly $1M for the other...
Are we content with a guy like Walker having that other spot full time? Are we going to trade Addison/Gus? Lowball some guys? Bridge Boldy so save cap? Hope MAF retires? Trade current cap (Goli, MAF, Greenway, Zucc)?
I certainly didn't expect Gus and Addison to be playing as well as they have.
This offseason is going to be a shit show.
Based on their AHL play, and what I've seen in the NHL of them , I would pick Walker, and.... ?
Petan looks good in the AHL, but was a ghost when brought up, and has had plenty of chances.
Cramarossa is a solid AHL'er with a bit of physicality. He can play on the 4th line, and be OK.
Fogarty is playing really well in the AHL. If he had any speed he'd be a NHL'er. He's ok for a couple of games.
Chaffee is out for the year.
Hentges has only played one game this year, and is still injured.
Swaney injured.
Giroux small, and meh, even at the AHL level.
Milne looks ok in the AHL, but isn't close to being NHL ready. Good energy guy, but doesn't score, and isn't especially tough or smart. Still very inexperienced.... I wish he had better size, but i like some of what i see. He needs time.
Rossi is the best choice, for me, but I totally get why he won't be brought up for a while.
Beckman is playing better recently, but i have really started to sour on his game. His offense is mediocre at the AHL level, he isn't very strong, and I don't think he plays a smart game. Skating is decent, but he isn't close to Walker in speed and agility. I don't think he'd be a very good grinder, and I don't think he's a fit on an offensive line, if he is AHL production is average.
Walker is like an improved version of Beckman. Better skater, good puck handler, RHS, plays C/RW, better scorer, smarter game. Beckman might have a harder shot, but Walker gets his off quicker... Beckman's inability to catch and shoot quickly is becoming a real problem down in Iowa. Both aren't the strongest, but Walker is trickier, and has a bit of an edge to him.
There is no great option down in Iowa. Steel is better than all of them, with the possible exception of Walker and Rossi, once they get about 30-40 games under their belt.
Petan looks good in the AHL, but was a ghost when brought up, and has had plenty of chances.
Cramarossa is a solid AHL'er with a bit of physicality. He can play on the 4th line, and be OK.
Fogarty is playing really well in the AHL. If he had any speed he'd be a NHL'er. He's ok for a couple of games.
Chaffee is out for the year.
Hentges has only played one game this year, and is still injured.
Swaney injured.
Giroux small, and meh, even at the AHL level.
Milne looks ok in the AHL, but isn't close to being NHL ready. Good energy guy, but doesn't score, and isn't especially tough or smart. Still very inexperienced.... I wish he had better size, but i like some of what i see. He needs time.
Rossi is the best choice, for me, but I totally get why he won't be brought up for a while.
Beckman is playing better recently, but i have really started to sour on his game. His offense is mediocre at the AHL level, he isn't very strong, and I don't think he plays a smart game. Skating is decent, but he isn't close to Walker in speed and agility. I don't think he'd be a very good grinder, and I don't think he's a fit on an offensive line, if he is AHL production is average.
Walker is like an improved version of Beckman. Better skater, good puck handler, RHS, plays C/RW, better scorer, smarter game. Beckman might have a harder shot, but Walker gets his off quicker... Beckman's inability to catch and shoot quickly is becoming a real problem down in Iowa. Both aren't the strongest, but Walker is trickier, and has a bit of an edge to him.
There is no great option down in Iowa. Steel is better than all of them, with the possible exception of Walker and Rossi, once they get about 30-40 games under their belt.
Al Lagoon
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Wow, looking at this thread for the first time in a while. Had I no knowledge of the current situation, I'd think the Wild were in the situation of St. Louis, or Nashville, out of the playoffs, but not in the lottery hunt.
You's a gloomy bunch.
You's a gloomy bunch.
There are lots of ways to make the cap work without too much pain. The only untouchables on the team "should" be Boldy, Brodin, JEE, and Kap.
I see it either Goli (retire/trade) or Addison (trade) is gone after the season. If they want to go big on FA then Zucc is traded.
Wait a month and we’ll all sound the same and we’ll be in the exact position you described. A ridiculous winning streak against bottom feeders has bolstered the MN homers once again.
Spurgeon
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$5.5M for Gus and Addison is a huge overestimation imo.
I could see them trading Gus for an ELC player/pick and bringing up Wallstedt next season. Or hopefully Fleury just retires and they don’t have to worry about that extra year on his contract.
I don’t think it’s an overestimation. Gus has been playing better than MAF, but he’s still a RFA so I gave him $1M less. Addison is on pace for over 40 points. $3M almost seems like a steal if he’s capable of more. What do you see them getting?
I hope they keep Gus and split him with Wallstedt in two seasons. He’s been a pleasant surprise.
BagHead
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I have thought this so many times this season. But I also understand why people are gloomy around here. This team isn't improved on last year's, and last year's was one-and-done. I also think the people here aren't seeing any light at the end of the tunnel now that the top prospect didn't perform right away.
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